Michael Moorer in his lightheavyweight days was a BEAST.

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  1. tommygun711

    tommygun711 The Future Full Member

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    Looking at this guy in his early days, he was a real ****in animal.
    He should have stayed in that division way longer.
    He was actually fast on his feet, very fast hands, and bad ass power.
    Who do you guys think he could have beat, (as far as big names go in the LHW division, all time) in his LHW days?
    I bet quite a few
     
  2. anarci

    anarci Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He just about did a complete transformation of his style when he moved up to Heavy...

    At LH he was super strong,Huge puncher, Good ChinAnd just a mean dude with a killer instinct...He also showed some flaws, and had some fights where he would get outboxied , only to have his power bail him out.

    When he moved up to heavy he still had good power but not devastating like at LH.. So he compensated by showing us that he had some real boxing skills(especially for a hw).. When he first moved up he had some wars with cooper,Stewart but shortly after that he seemed to abandon his cold mean streak and sometimes fought lazy and uninspired. WHen he was on though there are not to many HW in recent years that could box like Moorer.

    If you compare him to LH champions of the past... I think he would ko some very good ones, but maybe be outboxed by some average ones..... At the time they were talking about unifying the Lh title.. At the time it was Prince Charles Williams,Virgil Hill,Michael Moorer... I think all those guys were even matched... Hill would probalby outbox a still green Moorer, A prime Williams might pull out a close decision over Hill... Moorer kos Williams.

    He moved to Hw cause he was killing himself to make weight.. He was naturally much bigger frame wise than Foster,spinks,Jones,Toney... Adamek.....All former LH who moved to heavy. And of all those guys by far the biggest puncher at Hw.
     
  3. happylora

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    I thought he would was going to become one of the best ever up there with Bob Foster (better than Spinks/Hill maybe) had he been able to stick around. The cruiser division was to dull and the earnings at heavy were so good if you could really compete. Still think its sad he could not have done a Bob Foster and held his title at a lower weight with just the odd HW payday, but the heavies just got to damn heavy for that sort of thing switching.
     
  4. Boxmaster

    Boxmaster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Anyone who couldn't take Moorers punch would be KO'd and this includes Roy Jones Jr who is proven to be capable of being knocked out.

    Moorer had super human power and he had fast enough hands to land on anybody.
     
  5. anarci

    anarci Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I agree with you but i think a good boxer with a tough chin beat Moorer at LH.. I remember a faded Lesile Stewart and the mediocre Frankie Swindell giving him problems. Thats why i though Hill might have beat a young Moorer... But he would have gotten better he was stil real young when he was at LH and siill learning... I agree i think he manages to catch Jones and put him to sleep.
     
  6. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    It was only a matter of time until he moved up. He being starved to stay at 175... and he made no secret of his love affair with this gal...

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  7. Cachibatches

    Cachibatches Boxing Junkie banned

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    Even at LHW he as considered chinny because Leslie stewart rocked him good.

    He was just too big to be a LHW. He himslef said taht staying at that weight tore down his muscle.
     
  8. THE EXPERT

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    He was very good at lhw. What made him special besides his power was that he had an outstanding right jab that could set everything up. I feel his jab was/is one of the most underrated punches. A southpaw power puncher with an excellent jab would be very hard to beat. With that said, I am not sure he would have been able to beat an overly cautious but super humanly talented fighter like Jones. Jones' speed would neutralize his power unless moorer could control Jones with his jab. My guess is that he wouldn't and would lose a fairly lopsided decision. He himself had a suspect chin. Not a bad one but not necessariloy a reliable one. I do belioeve he beats some great fighters head to head. Foster is a great example of a hof fighter he would beat at lhw. (imho)
     
  9. The Funny Man 7

    The Funny Man 7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :patsch This is mental! Moorer is getting terribly overrated here. People predicting a novice Double M would spell doom for Bob Foster and Roy Jones?! What's the basis for that kind of prediction? The only two sigifnicant wins at the weight are a TKO over a shot shot shot Leslie Stewart who had been TKOed by everyone from marvin johnson, Virgil Hill, Henry Maske, and Donny Lalonde. His only other semi-credible win is over Swindell who wouldn't be a threat to Yaqui Lopez, Jorge Ahmuda, Jose Torres, or Virgil Hill on his best night.

    Moorer's second defense was over an 11-6 novice. Two fights after beating stewart he faced a man with a medicore record of 22-6. Two more fights followed against men with 10-4 and 18-4 marks. His only two wins against unbeaten fighters during his reign only had 12 fights and 16-0 with not a single respectable win between the two. Granted he won all the fights by devastating knockout which is something at least, but its easy to look like Bob Foster or Archie Moore when you're facing woeful opposition.
     
  10. Seamus

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    He was a converted southpaw, natural righty, I believe.
     
  11. THE EXPERT

    THE EXPERT Member Full Member

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    You are correct, he was a converted southpaw. Good call Seamus. :)
     
  12. THE EXPERT

    THE EXPERT Member Full Member

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    I think that moorer would have simply been too strong for foster. I see it as a match up/style problem. I am not suggesting that moorer was a better fighter than Foster,There is no question that foster is the better and greater fighter. I just believe that h2h he would have won based on the styles. No disrespect to foster intended at all.
    Moorer was an extremely strong fighter at 175.
     
  13. Cachibatches

    Cachibatches Boxing Junkie banned

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    This is correct.

    Moorer looked good at LHV because it was well belowe his natural fighting weight. That was a double edged sword as he really had to tear down his muscle to get there. Beating Jones and Foster...don't see it.
     
  14. anarci

    anarci Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well he was still a little green and still gaining experience.. So more times than not those guys probably beat him... But hes got a legit shot at scoring a ko. He didnt stay long enough to prove it, but he was probably one of the hardest punchers ever at LH. Think about it..He is the only one former LH to be considered a good puncher in an era of Big Heavyweights... Spinks had respectable power at Hvy but nothing special probably average.. Jones wasnt no puncher,...Toney wasnt... Adamek isnt... Even Foster wasnt knocking out any heavys.. Archie Moore and Satterfield could punch at Hw but remember for the most part ,most of the Heavyweights back then were really cruisers or small heavys by todays standards. All those guys i mentioned were considered either good or great punchers at LH.
     
  15. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Moorer's big KO's at heavyweight were over former cruiserweights like Jirov and Cooper though. I wouldn't say he ever proved his power against legitimate big heavyweights. Foreman seemed to absorb his punches without trouble.