By every day i mean six days with a mix of light training for quicker recovery and heavy training for gains, and corporal phillips still kicked my ass and he couldnt do that before, and now he can while training less in afganistan, or is it the great weed they have in the kush mountains? :yep
That's a bit strong of an opinion given the research. While there is evidence to say that the benefits of Altitude training are offset by the negatives there is equally significant evidence to say that the benefits are still there. I am unsure to the evidence within Boxing, but within aerobic endurance events there is evidence that strongly suggests it is advantageous to live/train at altitude (more so lately for live high, train low, but still evidence on high/high). However, there are cautions to take to ensure those benefits remain and you would have to be following a program by experience coaches i.e. not just turn up and train as usual. I could see an issue with Altitude and boxing as it's a an interval sport that has a heavy Anaerobic element i.e. multiple short bursts and lactic acid system is probably the main energy system (as opposed to using mainly Oxygen to create energy). Within the clearer Aerobic sports the benefits of Altitude are more proven. One other reason for my uncertainty about the benefit for Boxing would be that Altitude can actually reduce your tolerance to Lactic acid. It's not true that the benefits of Altitude leave after a few days of coming back, there is multiple evidence sources showing benefits last into "weeks" of returning. Most research for Endurance athletes is that you have to compete at at around 2-3 weeks after you come back. Any earlier and you're not readjusted (you also need to get used to training at the same speeds as sea level) and any later and your blood count goes back to normal. I'm unsure how this fits in with Mosely. I have friends who have moved to Colorado to live/train and also friends who have gone to Rift Valley in Kenya to train for periods of the year and their performances have improved and they swear by it. However, I concede that could be due to the fact they're training with World Class groups. However, personally I believe on weight the evidence for the benefits are there within Aerobic sports. If there was no benefit you wouldn't have all the runners that hold World records for the past 15 years in all events over 5k coming from regions with 2000m + Altitudes. Also daily training is essential for World class performance. Obviously depends on the training session length and intensity, but in general World class athletes in most sports train multiple times each day with one or two days recovery per every two weeks. I would go as far to say there is no World class athlete that doesn't train 6 days a week. I agree only 3-4 days per week would be maximal "killer" sessions.
Great post, i believe it helps in boxing also, also depending on what kind of fighting style you have.:happy
yeah and through the majority of his career he's been ****ing gassed in the later rounds. both ariza and conte have said the same thing about high altitude training...show me a trainer or conditioning coach who knows more.
I'd like to know what scientific evidence there is for altitude training? There are the peripheral adaptions but to improve the central factors you need to train at an intensity that isn't possible at altitude. What you say about world record holders from these regions doesn't mean anything, if anything the success would be from the lower body weight that comes from living at altitude which is so important for an endurance athlete, societal factors (popularity of running) and genetics. Yes world class athletes can train multiple times a day 6 days a week but that depends on the sport and where they are in their periodised plan. Do you actually think they do that every week of the year? If they do then they're limiting their potential. Lots of aerobic runners do have that mentality of quantity over quality.
I heard what Ariza is trying to say once before. ....this was from an article when NSAC was reconsidering it's drug testing procedure.
I heard this before too! that High altitute training doesnt do anything for you. But if you think it does mentally I guess go for it.
Morales has been training at high altitude but also the fights were at high altitude which gave him an advantage if his opponents were training at much lower levels and not used to it, which I think they were.
Ive read that somewhere, cant remember where. That as its harder on your body you are just making it harder on yourself and not getting as good of training as you would with more oxygen at lower altitudes. No idea if thats true or not because the red blood cell thing is supposed to be so much better for stamina. Though maybe azira is right that if your body adjust quickly to the new altitude then it may all be for nothing
I thought that was just the Mayweather fight? :huh That's what most would argue. My point in any case is that he will be the same Shane Mosley we've been seeing. That's the point. Anyway, Conte's concerns with training at high altitudes differ from Ariza's.
Live high, train low. If you have good experience with training high you can do that, of course, but if you're a low-lander newbie go with what seems to be working best - live high train low. Ariza sounds a bit too categorical to have any actual experience.
There is a whole load of research that has taken place ever since the Mexico Olympics (held at Altitude) where no Endurance athlete came close to a Championship record and Athletes from Altitude cleaned up (Mexico, Kenya, Ethiopia). In general we're talking about a 2-5% increase in performance, which although sounds low, is significant when the differences in elite sport are measured in points of percent. On the reversability due to lack of intensity, yes this is one of the main arguments against altitude, but I think this argument has flaws and the research is lacking in this area. (1) you're only at Altitude for 3-4 weeks so the reversabilty is not huge assuming you were still training. (2) Intensity is reletive. If I can normally throw 100punches a round in a 12 round sparring session at maximal rate, but only 70 a round at Altitude maximal, I'm still working at the same intensity i.e. maximal! The issue is a question as to if when you get back to sea level can you get back to being used to throwing 100+ punches before the blood changes revert to normal. There is no real argument as to if Altitude increases maximal aerobic capacity as in most people it will (more research says Yes than No). The only question is if the benefits outweigh the negatives. This is the reason EPO is banned i.e. all of the pro's none of the cons. This turns the 2% increase into as much as 10%. I'm unsure it would help in Boxing, but couldn't see how it would hurt. I agree with some of the factors you mentioned in your repsonse "means nothing" around the African runners (although could easily provide counter arguments for most). However, it is again a bit strong of a statement given that this is one of the key variables associated to their performance. How about I take region out of it and give you the fact that of the top 100 (could be as much as 200) all time performances ever ran in all track events over 5k every single athlete incorporated Altitude as part of their training regime? Isn't that a bit too much of a statistical anomoly to not believe there is evidence to show Altitide works!??! On training in general, this is a huge area. I'm not getting into it as I'll have to write too much and it's not the OP's topic. I stand by what I said though and it's not quality over quantity. However, I do think it's interesting with the different approaches in boxing vs other sports i.e. boxing focused around training camps for 1 fight vs other sports training all year round for one or a few key events (sometimes 5 year plans for one race). I'm not saying one is better than the other. Again, off topic though. A point that may be relevant though, if you were going to dope and use EPO it may be worthwhile going and advertising the fact that you are going to train/live at altitude. That way if you are tested and there are signs/indicators to show you have been using EPO you have a story as to why those indicators are present. Catching EPO cheats is tough to do and although I haven't looked up lately the tests used to rely on indicators e.g. blood hamatocrit/red blood cell count as opposed to the actual drug being in your system. Plus legally it's a minefield as it's hard to argue 100% proof of use. I don't suggest that is what Mosely is doing and hope not.
I personally have never lived at altitude, but speaking to track and field athletes who did, they said when they went to sea level they would destroy the other team.