Ariza: Altitude training is counterproductive

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  1. Joan_Guzman

    Joan_Guzman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Floyd trains in Vegas
     
  2. lefty

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    I'll give you that athletes who have lived all their lives at high altitude show better running economy and that's not completely understood but for athletes just going to train there, there is no doubt, it's not beneficial. It doesn't increase maximal aerobic capacity, it stays the same or decreases. The main indicators for endurance performance (VO2max and lactate tolerance) are sacrificed at altitude for an increase in muscle adaptions which only make a very small difference, nowhere near enough to compensate for the loss in other areas. Losing 4 weeks of quality training is a big deal!
    The levels of EPO produced naturally from altitude are nowhere near the levels that are achieved from cheating, so there are no worries or excuses to be made there.
     
  3. Wicksy

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    4 weeks of non-training is a big deal, but you are training! You're not taking 4 weeks off, you're just training at altitude. Top end sharpness may/will fall due to the lack of real life intensity you can train at (effort intensity will be the same). That's why you need 3 weeks back at sea level for optimum performance. And this is the point - the lack of real life intensity affects some people more so than others, which is why not everyone has the same benefits (although in some sports evidence shows it's more likely there will be benefit e.g. 10k running and Tour Cycling).

    It's hard to measure the benefit to Boxing as opposed to a timed sport i.e. the only variable in timed sports is how fast you finish. However, I'm sure having a high volume of red blood cells is helpful in most sports with an aerobic element.

    It's not just Africans it's the best Euro athletes too and they didn't grow up there.

    VO2 max decreases at Altitude, but VO2max will increase when you get back to sea level. The majority of evidence supports this.

    I'm not saying EPO will be present, I'm saying about the indicators that EPO has been used.

    I'm not being purposely agumentative and it's good to have a discussion with you. In general my main point is that to say "100% altitude training doesn't work" is wrong. Evidence and performances shows it does work for many people. What isn't clear is the variables as to in what scenarios it will work and in what scenarios it will not.
     
  4. emh2112

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    This thread should be closed the main reason is that LEFTY is a contradicting idiot. I advise you all to read his comments closer and look at the complete bull**** he is coming out with "Training at altitude only helps when competition is at altitude" is one of his quotes yet he says that training at high altitude is not benificial for the body and has negative effects which basically means "train at high altitude ruin your body but dont worry you will win if the competition is at high altitude" YOUR A ****IN CON ARTIST LEFTY. Get your head out of Arizas *******.
     
  5. emh2112

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    Quote from Ariza...........

    However the increase in red blood cells comes at a cost – having too many blood cells makes the blood thicker and can make blood flow sluggish. This makes it harder for your heart to pump blood throughout the body, and can actually decrease the amount of oxygen getting to where it is needed.


    Well Alex hate to tell you but there are a number of foods and supplements that are known to thin the blood. These include foods with high amounts of aspirin like substances called salicylates, omega-3 fatty acids, foods with natural antibiotic properties and vitamin E supplements.

    So thats one of his arguments blown out of the water straight away.
     
  6. Tora

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    i was told by a former olympic judo coach that it is best to sleep in a high altitude enviroment but train at ground level, becuase the only bonus is the extra blood cells unless you plan to fight upon a moutain.
    this was the complete opposite of what i thought i knew about AT.
     
  7. emh2112

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    Two contradictive quotes now from LEFTY "THE SPORTS SCIENCE STUDENT" god everything from his mouth has to be fact so!!



    "High altitude doesn't have different effects on different people, there are laws of human physiology that affect everyone"


    "It doesn't increase maximal aerobic capacity, it stays the same or decreases."



    BUT LEFTY DIDNT YOU SAY IT CANT HAVE DIFFERANT EFFECTS ON EVERYONE, AS FAR AS IM AWARE STAYING THE SAME AND DECREASING ARE DIFFERANT!


    What a load of shite you have come out with LEFTY
     
  8. irishny

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    Its not simply about the physical aspects of training up at big bear.
    Fighters like to train in these places due to their isolation,the ability to focus on the fight,away from distractions.
     
  9. BrooklynMumin

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    interesting, because many mexican fighters have been doing it for years. And they come to fight all night.
     
  10. emh2112

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    exactly!!
     
  11. eko718

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    Exactly, but he presents it as if he does. There are arguments for and against. Conte's suggestion is actually train high, live low.
     
  12. bald_head_slick

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    Yep Manny is training hard. As long as you don't ask Manny to take that drug test.

    IMHO, Mosley looks different in the ring ever since the FROSDT. Period. He brought it against Cotto, Collazo, and Margarito. Nobody had doubts. Mayweather makes him test and... The guy goes from Elite to Everyday overnight. He couldn't do what Bryan Vera did handily, outwork Sergio Mora. I don't see how anyone else ISN'T making the connection.

    I really hope Shane makes it out of this fight in good health. I wish him the best in the future.
     
  13. Bazooka

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    cus he drinks a special juice to balance those cells out..:thumbsup
     
  14. EpsilonAxis

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    you should always train as close the the environment you're going to fight in. ESPECIALLY considering altitude.
     
  15. PNoyFightFanUSN

    PNoyFightFanUSN Larry Don't Give a **** Full Member

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    Uhh...people thought Marg was going to destroy Shane when they fought. Also, Vera is a bigger guy than Mora. Shane is a small JrMW when he fights at that weight.

    The other thing with when he fought Mayweather is he threw about the same throughout the fight but he became discouraged when he couldn't outfight Floyd. He was being countered or blocked almost every shot he through. He does that when he can't be bigger and faster than you. He sure as hell wasn't going to outbox him.