Where does oscar de la hoya rank?

Bro, i cant really make it any simpler.

- There are two wins over a past prime Chavez, that you are saying dont count at all

- There is one win over an even further past his prime Willard, that many people consider one of the greatest wins of all time

- We are talking about De La Hoya, because he doesnt make hipsterists shitty list

- Dempsey made his shitty list

 

I still don't know why your response to a point by ME about what YOU said about Oscar De La Hoya has ANYTHING to do with what some other guy said about Jack Dempsey. nut:nut

 

now you're just confusing things

 

Chavez (x2), Whitaker, Camacho, Paez, Quartey, Vargas, Ruelas, Mayorga, ect.... Let alone his rip off losses against Trinidad and Mosley. We all know he won those fights, so there when ranking him all time... it isn't as if we have to rank him by the judges horrible scorecards. Those scorecards being wrong doesn't change what happened in the ring. As well as the fact that he fought near even with a Prime Mayweather after he was already washed up.

Hell his wins over guys like Gatti, Gonzalez, Carr, Leija, Castillejo, John John Molina, ect... don't even get mentioned because the man was in so many mega fights that his standards are set to an unreasonable level. People mention Gatti as one of Mayweather's big wins all of the time. Just like they mention Genaro Hernandez as one of his big wins all of the time. Yet, Oscar De La Hoya fought them much earlier, and beat them both quicker.

Oscar has wins over Chavez and Whitaker who I consistently see ranked in the top 10 All Time. He had these wins while both were Champions of their division and Oscar was moving UP in weight to fight them. Yet, people like you act as if he doesn't have any wins in big fights. You don't get much bigger than that.

 

Hoya beats Chavez prime for prime.

 

For some reason I've just remembered DLH got his ass kicked by Sturm, Whitaker, Quartey, Mayweather, Mosley and got knocked out by a love tap

 

I just can't see Pernell being rated better than #20, Chavez can't be ahead of DLH. Pernell and Sanchez are slightly ranked better than DLH while Oscar rates ahead of Chavez and Arguello.

 

2 things that can't be questioned about him: His heart and his chin.

 

****, you didn't even read to the second line?

You don't get called dominant when more scribes than not feel that you lost a fight. And it was good of you to skip over the 'dominant' display against Ike too. :good

I agree.

Not the first one, clear Oscar loss.

he almost held his own against an aging, dessicated Hopkins who was about to lose to Jermain Taylor at middleweight. Hardly a need to glorify the performance when Bernard was pretty shithouse.

Of course Sturm beat Oscar down, but yeah Oscar was no middle.

I thought he knicked it too. In any case, he held his own. One of his best performances in some years imo.

There actually are quite a few, and I've left a lot of them out because of their lack of dominance. Look at the resume of someone like Jimmy Bivins, heck look at the resume of a guy like Soldier Bartfield.

 

Yeah i guess you never saw Delahoyas career at LW,Jw and a good portion of his WW reign.:roll:

Dulio Loi opposition was euro level until later in his career... ODLH would have have never lost and had a 80% had he fought Lois opposition.

And i had like to hear you version of why Galindez was more dominant than Oscars?
Joey Archeratsch I dont even know why im even debating this... YOu have always shown some knowledge on the history of boxing..

But your judgement on the abilities of modern day greats is horrendous and way off the mark. Especially on Holyfield and ODLH. A good portion of ESB(mostly General) sounds like they only saw the last 1/4 of ODLH career,, Or judge Holyfield based n his fights wih Lewis.. And when it comes to your post on this thread you fit in with just perfect with that bunch. :yep... Because it would take up a lot of pages on this thread to correct all of your errors.

 

:good

 

CHavez was an excellent win for a still very young ODLH.. Julio was definitely past his prime but was still an excellent fighter.. He was rated in everyones top 10 pfp when ODLH beat him the firlst time...

Oscar got knocked out by a great body shot, but won the early rounds and the fight was still close when he was stopped. :think So yey id say he held his own.

 

:good Excelent spot on post

 

atsch A single liver shot. And? What can we expect from someone who says wins over Chavez were worth nothing? Hilarious. I don't even like the guy, but the silliness that comes out of people's mouths about him...funny as hell.

 

Here's something funny:

A guy gets knocked out by a single shot, and people say he held his own.

Holding your own means going to points, in fact not only that but it means making it close on the cards. Holding your own isn't losing by KO. That's kind of beyond obvious.

Oscar held his own in the 1st Mosley fight. He didn't hold his own in the Hopkins fight, he got knocked out.

And the Chavez wins were worth nothing. Or, they were worth the same as Pacquiao-Oscar or Trinidad-Whitaker were, ie not much. Dominant wins over highly declined versions of once-great fighters. Some may say there is still great value in that type of victory. Not me. Name-recognition wins engineered by promoters, nothing more.