Where does oscar de la hoya rank?

So Kevin Kelley did'nt hold his own against Hamed just because he lost by KO
or Azumah Nelson did'nt against Sanchez because he did'nt go the distance :huh


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I'm not that impressed with Oscar as a fighter but your being harsh here, he had no business being in there with Hopkins and it took B - Hop 9 rounds until He finally got down to business and it was close enough on the cards and Oscar was holding his own, because Hopkins was doing nothing, I'm a huge Hopkins fan but the De La Hoya fight, iis one of Bernards most shittest performance's.

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1. Maybe strictly in Kitty rules. But not in Uncle Boxed rules.
2. No. ...No.

 

...Has anyone asked yet if Frazier held his own in the third Ali fight? He couldn't have. He didn't make it the distance. :blood

 

He didn't get knocked out by a single shot either.

 

Yes. ...Yes.

You explain to me how Oscar-Chavez was so much better than Trinidad-Whitaker that it merits this sort of comment: ""

On what grounds???

 

In fights like Kelley-Hamed and so on, you can say "Kelley held his own up until he got knocked out", because this is accurate. You can't say "Kelley held his own" as a flat statement, because he didn't hold his own, he got knocked out in 4 rounds.

"Held his own" implies some level of parity, ie the kind of parity that needs judges to sort it out, by deciding the winner.

You can't say a guy that got knocked out held his own in the fight.




"Did you see my fight last night?"

"No I missed it, how did you get on?"

"I held my own."

"Yeah?"

"Yeah. I got knocked out cold in the 2nd round."

"I thought you held your own?"

"I did. Up until the point I got ****ing KTFO."

"Great."

:rofl

 

Brother, I was laughy-facing the comparison to Pac/Oscar. And I am still laughy-facing it. ...

 

I accuse you of retrospective selective laughy-facing in order to avoid a question. You're a disgrace to good honest salt of the earth laughy-facers everywhere.

 

c Slander! I've never retrospectively laughy-faced a post to avoid a question! :twisted: I didn't want to have to do this, but you're forcing my hand...Nobody blame me for this, I've been forced...Kit...

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There. It is done. I wash my hands of the gory aftermath.

 

What would SNV say if he heard the following conversation???

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"Did you see my fight last night?"

"No I missed it, how did you get on?"

"I held my own."

"Yeah?"

"Yeah. I got knocked out cold in the 2nd round."

"I thought you held your own?"

"I did. Up until the point I got ****ing KTFO."

"Great."

:think:think:think

 

Oh yeah now I get it, lets just ignore the fact that the fight was life or death for 4 rounds because Kelley got knocked out so he did'nt hold his own.

great logic there :nut :nut :nut

 

If this was engineered and a meaningless win then why were so many knowledgeable fans picking Chavez to win (first fight)? Where you a fan of boxing then?

 

LMFAO@his "career" there.

You mean his run of beating a geriatric Camacho, an invalid Chavez, a bum of the month special Carpentier and barely viable David Kamau? You surely don't mean his dominant run with the meaningful guys in the division.

Some of the euro level guys he fought were better than the guys DLH fought that you're boasting about.

Also, what makes you so sure he beats the likes of Ortiz and Perkins? he's lost to worse fighters.

Because he legitimately won all the fights during his prime. That about do it?

Believe me, I don't know why you are either.

Never thought I'd see the day I'd be accused of being a general forum type poster. Didn't think even my trolling efforts were up to general forum 'informed' standard.

 

Probably because they didn't know Chavez would enter the fight with a pre-existing cut that would draw blood even from a DLH missed flurry.

Kinda also why a lot of people were picking Oscar before the Pac fight. They didn't know that Oscar would come in more dried out than a prune.

 

1. I expected you'd place him higher
2. He wasn't as dominant against McGirt first time
3. Most the men on your list have close fights in their prime that could go either way
4. I suggest you watch FMJ-DLH, no way is 6-7rounds for Oscar justifiable
5. Allot of people consider Holyfield significant past prime at 37 and yes Lewis's size was certainly a factor, although not the only 1
6. Well maybe he was 'just big', maybe Chuvalo picks up the same results in the 1890s. What if Valuev put together the same results in the 1890s? (Bigears is not permitted to reply to this)
7. Fair enough but DLH was not clearly beat until Sturm/Hopkins, the other close fights/loses were very close and he has his dominant wins. Even Ray Robinson had close controversal fights in his prime