about roy jones vs joe frazier

davek, yes jones would have been a huge underdog but i think he was interested in a $20-$30 million payday. the fight was talked about with more than just a phone call. why wouldn't lewis just destroy jones and get a huge payday?? coming from you it sounds like lewis shouldn't even worry about training for the fight.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/boxing/2003-06-19-lewis-jones_x.htm

 

I know he didn't fight tarver at heavy. I never said this either. Its not hard to see my logic. Tarver simply does not compare as a puncher to the heavyweights. Fact. And being in the talks to fight Lewis means ****. Because it didn't happen for the soul reason that jones knew he would get KO'd. It's clear.
I don't bet, except on **********.com. And I don't know how you can question my betting abilities... This is coming from a guy that is actually seeing jones as a real heavy. He wasn't. Not even close. Any good heavy would kill him.

 

the betting comment was for shake not you. no ****, tarver doesn't have a heavyweight punch. so jones shouldn't be affected going from 199 lbs vs ruiz having to make 175 vs tarver? we should base jones' ability to take a punch at heavy on him going back down to light heavy? look at de la hoya vs pac or chris byrd going back to light heavy. of course jones wasn't a real heavy, he was small for light heavy. your logic doesn't make sense.

 

Yeah it does. Going down in weight like that shouldn't make that much of an effect on Roy to getting knocked out like that. If he's such s great athlete ha should be able to make the transition, so in other words it's no excuse, if anything you're not making any sense.
And you building up Roy to be some epic force at heavy is simply bs. Beating Ruiz is an acomplishment but it's not really a big deal since Ruiz was average.

 

What about Jones vs Foreman? I think Jones stood a good chance there, if he didnt get caught clean, which i think foreman might be too slow to do. there could have certainly been some good fights and he could have ended up as anything but the most likely scenario still remains that he is knocked out by at least a handful of these guys.

I have always thought that Roy Jones does much better against most heavyweight atgs than people think. But i have to say Frazier would be the absolute worst matchup for him. In fact, I can t think of any other ATG who i give him a worse chance against, from a stylistic point of view.

 

i'm gonna have to stop my argument now. we might as well be writing in different languages. epic force, wtf??

 

Smh.

 

If Jones fights the right type of fight,I don't think it's a mismatch at all.This isn't a natural heavyweight we're speaking of here,but Roy Jones,even as a heavyweight,was still the most athletically gifted fighter that this sport has ever seen.


His power isn't going to test Frazier's suspect chin,but his level of foot speed - unlike anything Frazier has ever shared the ring with - is certainly going to test him.Buster Mathis tested and troubled Frazier with his speed of foot and basic angles - and if not for an all-advised willingness to engage at close quarters,who know's what might have occured.

 

I personally dont know 1 person, whos opinion i respect, who thinks RJJ beats Frazier. It would be a murder picture

 

I agree.
I think he'd have to avoid certain guys. I think he had a good chance to be at least as good at HW as Michael Moorer was. And he should have moved up around the mid-late 90s to make some huge money, when he was smack bang in his prime.

 

Well it obviously did have that much of an effect on him and being an athlete doesn't stop a man being weight drained and old. It was obvious Jones was done when he looked so weak and drained and didn't manage to gain any size back after. Then during the fight he was huffing and puffing after 4-5rounds

Beating Ruiz by winning every round is a big deal, no one else has beat Ruiz like that, not Holyfield, Chagaev, Valuev, Kirk Johnson, Golota

 

Look a little closer at that Ruiz dossier. A few branches off the trunk of the tree. The best thing going for him was being signed up with DKP.

Where are the punchers on that opponent list? Where are the big hitters--plenty available for all those years--after the Tua fight--how'd that one go anyway? Any talk of a rematch? There's Ruiz walking into punches. You think it's a coincidence he was not matched w/ the big hitters? Ruiz can only fight one way and go forward and is made to order for the big hitters. His effectiveness is against boxers.
The first big hitter he faced after Tua was Haye and he was on the deck 2x in the first round in that one.


And Toney did pretty much the same thing to Ruiz as Jones did. Lopsided win and he does not have the superior conditioning of Roy's nor the footwork or mobility. Actually, he pretty much stood in front of Ruiz the whole night and won going away.

The difference in ringsmarts between Jones/Toney compared to Ruiz is off the scale. Opposite ends of the spectrum. He is not going to outsmart them and that leaves his toolset to provide him the win over those guys. Good luck with that. Now I don't know about you, but they sure looked like mismatches to me & I didn't think the Ruiz chances were any better than 10%.

 

Did you see the Toney fight, it was much closer. I'm not saying Ruiz is great but hes what 38 now, so the Haye loss has to have that asterix next to it and wasnt that a TKO when he wasn't badly hurt from what I remember? Chagaev, Rahman, Valuev, Golota, Holyfield were all decent HW punchers. I'm not trying to say Ruiz was great but he did build up a good HW resume