Rate the SMW resumes of these fighters in order of best

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  1. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Rate the SMW resumes of these fighters in order of best. Only their resumes at SMW not fights at other weights -

    Roy Jones Jnr
    James Toney
    Lucian Bute
    Glen Johnson
    Andre Dirrell
    Andre Ward
    Robert Steiglitz
     
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    Exactabox Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    James Toney
    Glen Johnson
    Glass Jaw Jones
    Lucien Bute
    hype job
    Steiglitz
    hype job
     
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    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Thankyou for taking part, but...

    How did you get to that conclussion?

    Look at G Johnsons resume In 12 SMW fights Johnson has lost 6 of them.
    Johnson has lost at SMW to -

    M Sosa who had 5 losses and 2 draws, and lost his next 2 fights after beating Johnson
    Kiwanuka who had 3 losses and 2 draws, had lost his last 2 fights coming into his fight with Johnson and his fight after Johnson
    Ottke 16-0 who in fairness was an outstanding SMW boxer
    Vanderpool 27-1 who lost his next fight, but in fairness that was at MW to Hopkins and Vanderpool had a good run after
    Branco 38-4-2 who was a world class SMW and became WBA LHW champ
    Sheika who was 19-1 and lost his next fight, though in fairness that was to Calzaghe.

    The SMWs that Johnson has managed to beat
    Campas 3-20-4 coming off of only 2 losses and won his next fight
    Watson 24-16-1, Johnson was his last fight
    Renteria 9-23-5 coming in, whos last 10 fight record before facing Johnson was 0-8-2
    Zimmerman 15-2-0 coming in, who had lost his previous fight and the one after
    A Green 29-2-0 coming in and Johnsons biggest SMW victory

    Its not impressive now is it. Please spare me the robbery talk.
    If any rated SMW losses to Johnson it wont look good on their resume

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    To think beating Green was all Johnson had to do to become a Ring rated SMW in todays ratings
     
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    Exactabox Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Since he always gets robbed its time to start robbing in favor of GJ.
     
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    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Do you not think Steiglitz with a win resume consisting off Berrio, undefeated Gutknecht and undefeated Balzsay is better than Johnsons SMW resume. If it wasnt for Steiglitz losses to Berrio in a return and Andrade, I would have put him above Ward, as Ward only has one real noted win against Kessler
     
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    Which of these SMW fights did you think Johnson was robbed in. I felt he was out boxed and beaten by Ottke and felt Sheika did enough, also didnt mind the decision in favour of Branco
     
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    Roy Jones
    James Toney
    Andre Ward
    Lucian Bute
    Andre Dirrell
    Robert Stieglitz
    Glen Johnson



    Glen Johnson doesn't have one good win at Super Middleweight, Exactabox you're ****ed. He did beat Sheika though, Branco was a close fight, other than that there's nothing.
     
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    Exactabox Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He got robbed later in life so now im taking back what is his.
     
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    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    I felt Sheika beat Johnson, but It was close.

    How did you rate Dirrell above Steiglitz? Dirrells only big win was a former MW in Abraham who has shown that he is not a good SMW. Dirrells other noted wins like Hanshaw etc arent very good.
    Steiglitz has beaten and lost to IBF champ Berrio, undefeated WBO champ Balzsay, undefeated Gutknecht, and beaten other fighters equal to the fighters like Hanshaw
     
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    Please state the SMW robberies you that you feel were or even fights you feel were robberies outside of SMW
     
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    Body Head East Side Rape (CEO) Full Member

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    You can switch Stieglitz and Dirrell it's pretty much the same to me, they mostly fought bums. But Dirrell i see as a little bit better fighter so i rated him above just for that reason. Both shitty resumes so far.
     
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    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Remember also that Jones only big win at SMW was Toney, and Toney has a poor SMW resume (not as poor as his LHW resume)
     
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    Exactabox Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Im playing. I am a big BHOP fan so naturally was happy when BHOP whooped GJ. Johnson has no good wins and cries on borderline decisions.

    I always wanted RJJ to fight better but he rarely stepped up to the plate.

    Toney is awesome. Loved watching him fight. I used to watch his fights 2 and 3 times to see how he escaped punches on the ropes.

    Not a fan of Dirrell. He did get robbed vs froch. Bute is talented. Ward is gonna be an annoying fighter. Stieglitz is going to be in a bad car accident. I hope im wrong about that.
     
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    Iran Barkley
    Charles Williams
    Tony Thornton
    Tim Littles
    Doug DeWitt

    Is better than any current SMW resume. The only fighters resume that comes close is Carl Froch, he could probably overtake it if he wins against Glen Johnson.
     
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    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Interesting. I was only rating on resumes not potential.
    How did you get Ward above Bute

    I agree Bute hasnt fought the top guys yet but look at resumes overall but Andrade was at #3 when Bute beat him.

    Bute beat Bika - better than Ward,
    Miranda - better than Ward,
    Andrade twice,
    Joppy,
    Zuniga, better than Cloud and Cloud beating Zuniga has put him above Dawson
    Brinkley
    Berrio - Holds a win over Steiglitz
    Magee who is a European champ and world rated fighter who hadnt lost in 10 fights
    In world title fights.

    You could also note Mock, Tatvosyan and Salem

    Ward has beaten
    Kessler - A very good win better than any name on Bute resume but remember that Kessler was an unwell fighter
    Miranda
    Green - who lost to Miranda
    Bika
    Next Abraham on a winning run of 1 injury victory and then 2 losses the last being very decisive

    You could also note Buchanan

    Now Wards victory over Kessler isnt better overall than Andrade, Berrio, Zuniga etc