jersey joe walcott in the 70s

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  1. Unforgiven

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    George Foreman fought only 6 real contenders in the 70s, and he lost to 2 of them.
    Both those guys got him exhausted and knocked him down or out, and weren't huge punchers.
    Another guy had him down twice.

    The only men Foreman destroyed easily were ones who marched straight in to him (Frazier and Chuvalo) and Norton, who couldn't fight backing up and was inept against heavy punchers.

    I certainly wouldn't want to match 70s Foreman with a fighter like Walcott.
    If Jersey Joe is on form he'd make a fool of big George.
     
  2. Bummy Davis

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    good post
     
  3. Bummy Davis

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    :goodgood post
     
  4. Rock0052

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    I can't disagree with you at all here. Jersey Joe's footwork, ability to set traps, and ability to make you pay once he had you was absolutely sublime. I think he'd be a nightmare for Foreman, who didn't show the ability to adapt his gameplan to overcome that, because of it.
     
  5. D.T

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  6. yes , obviously this post or any post against foreman would be great in your opinion ,considering that you don´t like foreman and according to you he would lose every fantasy match. i think that you would be capable to debate that he really did beat joe frazier and norton.
    (i did check every fantasy match and according to you he would lose against tunney,dempsey,marciano....) zero , credibility sorry. but i respect the post of unforgiven. walcott had the mobility and the style to give problems to george, ok but foreman did cut the ring pretty well, and wallcott not even in dreams had the chin to take the shots from foreman, and walcott might not avoid foreman during all the fight. in some point he would be against the ropes and then bam!! ko
     
  7. Bummy Davis

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    I love Foreman he was my favorite fighter back in the 70's when he KO'd Frazier but I have to admit my knowledge of boxing and opinions were green. Even though I was watching fights from the early60's and was close to the game from family relationships it took me a while to learn the difference of styles and perceptions. Foreman had the most padded record and was fighting stiffs even in his 30-40 ish fight, I feel in retrospect he had a good chance to be beaten by Quarry and the Lyle fight convinced me more so....George 1 was a beast but full of flaws and we all know a beast can be a different animal when he is hit back. George had a remarkable comeback but other than Moorer and a shot Cooney he struggled with fighters like Saverese, Morrison and Stewart and had a tough time with 5"7 38 yrs old Quawi, still it was remarkable

    As far as Walcott, George was a puncher and always had a chance but a smart fighter with good legs and enough power to keep a fighter respectful could survive the early rds with the knowledge that Big George had a small gas tank....Later rds like the 5th on would give Walcott the confidence and the pin-point ability to score a major upset..this would not be a Joe Louis who was the best-power-combo puncher ever or a relentless pursuing Marciano who pushed and pushed. Foreman's best chance would be an early KO and its not easy to do against an experienced guy who could box and punch like JJW
     
  8. he grant

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    I agree ... when you look at how George fell apart against Ali and then Young you must give Walcott, a much better puncher than both, a very decent shot ... but then I think about Abe Simon ... I go back and forth ..
     
  9. Then you realize Walcott got knocked out by Marciano and was knocked out 6 other times by various oppnonets and then you will realize Foreman would blow away Walcott.

    George had a remarkable comeback but other than Moorer and a shot Cooney he struggled with fighters like Saverese, Morrison and Stewart and had a tough time with 5"7 38 yrs old Quawi, still it was remarkable

    Then you realize each of these fighter would of beat prime Walcott and would of beat 40 plus year Ali, Louis, Tyson ect ect ect. Foreman didnt struggled wtih Lou Saverese in the first place. Morrison ran like a *****. Foreman took Stewart lightly.

    Foreman also beat Adilson Rodrigues a solid fighter, the tough Pierre Coetzer, Shannon Briggs and got screwed. The highly dangerous Bert Cooper.
     
  10. i can´t see walcott winning against foreman, not with his chin. simply i can´t see it.
     
  11. I can't see it either. It is hilarious how people claim that anybody who can boxing slightly can beat Foreman then you realize nobody in his prime out boxed him period. Ali laid against the ropes and got lucky.

    Foreman held back like a idiot toying around with Young because Don King asked him to let the fight go a few rounds because people were sick and tired of this 3 round fight bull**** and the fact Foreman has stated this millions of times he wanted to go 12 rounds to show people he could go that distance.

    There is no man known to exist who out box Foreman period. Also Foreman getting tired in 2 fights does not show he has bad stamina. Apparenlty Ali, Louis ect ect were Superman. They didnt get tired from time to time. Foreman could 10 if needed like how he went 10 on 2 different occasions against Gregoria Peralta
     
  12. :deal i agree with every word

    and would love to see ali doing the rope dope in a rematch against foreman!!!
     
  13. Unforgiven

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    Well if Foreman was so devastating at knocking out skillful sharp-punching boxers I would have expected him to have fought a few more !

    Why did he spend both his "careers" mostly fighting 3rd-raters and 4th-raters and choosing short come-forward ones to beat up on ?
     
  14. Jorodz

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    :rastathis is absolutely why i love this forum so much
     
  15. Unforgiven and Rocky Marciano, Jack Dempsey and Joe Louis spend their careers feeding off 3rd rate fighters and past their prime faded fighters so what is your point? I bet you will still give them praise though huh? You will still find away to say Marciano, Dempsey, and Tunney were great right?

    Foreman fought who he had to fight and crushed them. Even people like Boone Kirkman and John Dino Dennis were solid fighters. Foreamn made them look horrible. George Chuvalo was a good fighter. Michael Moorer, Evander Holyfield, Joe Frazier, Ken Norton, Ali, Bert Cooper, Pierre Coetzer, Alex Stewart, Adilson Rodrigues, Jimmy Young, Lou Savarese, Shannon Briggs, Tommy Morrison, a faded but still a dangerous puncher in Gerry Cooney. The list goes on. All of these people were good to great.

    Who did Marciano and Dempsey fight again? Wait Lou Filipo a highly overrated joke. Roldand Lastarza. Yeah we al know how great he was. A washed up Joe Louis, Walcott, Charles and Moore.

    Just another way to try to put down Foreman I see while trying to praise somebody else.