How Do You Beat Manny Pacquiao @ WELTERWEIGHT ?

punch, grab and maul Manny. Nobody's tried mauling Manny. Bayless will probably seperate but Shane should grab, outmuscle and get in the inside.

Shane's got a great shot against Manny. that fast right can be the end of Manny. Hope he uses it a LOT!!

 

All 3 have different styles, but nothing like Mayweather's style...so to completely write him off would be silly. Margarito hurt Pacquiao. You don't need to trade with someone to beat them, although it would be hard not to trade with Pacquiao as Cotto showed...but again completely different styles to Mayweather. Add in that Mayweather's speed is a lot more comparable to Pacquiao's than Cotto, Clottey, or Margarito.

Pacquiao has had trouble with much softer opposition, that's not really relevant again. Mayweather has no stylistic advantages over Pacquiao at 147lbs? Of course he has, the same way Pacquiao has stylistic advantages over Mayweather.

Pacquiao brings the southpaw stance, but not a very awkward counter punching stance...he brings his own variety and style of awkwardness (which in truth is probably more awkward). Pacquiao's workrate has caused great problems for his opposition at WW, and I'd expect it to cause Mayweather problems. Although, I'd also expect Mayweather to drop Pacquiao's output...I don't expect to be seeing figures in the 1000's anyway. Pacquiao's angles, footspeed, upper body movement, etc can all cause Mayweather problems.

Whereas Mayweather has the height and reach on Pacquiao, this combined with his ability to see when an opponent is likely to attack will be a big factor in this bout. Mayweather has the one punch speed on Pacquiao. He has all-round greater footwork. Mayweather is just as comfortable fighting on the inside as he is on the outside, in fact he is comfortable fighting at all ranges. Mayweather will undoubtedly have to up his workrate, and like I mentioned earlier in the thread, make sure his gameplan is prepared for fighting in 2-3 phases. Mayweather can clinch if needed.

I have no doubt missed out more positives for both, but...oh well.

What is most intriguing about this match-up is...who will be more shocked when they get in the ring? Will Mayweather be able to cope with Pacquiao's speed and relentlessness? Will Pacquiao be shocked by Mayweather's ability to make him miss/stay just out of range? Will Mayweather fall in to the trap all of Pacquiao's recent opponents have by being the bigger guy? Will Pacquiao take for granted that because he has been beating "bigger" guys and taking their shots, that he can maybe just walk through Mayweather's shots, if needed?

 

Erm...Hearns is one of the top Welters of All-Time...:huh...and he would be ALL wrong for Pacquiao. Pacquiao would need a step ladder to hit Hearns. In turn, Hearns would stop Pacquiao, Hearns would also stop Mayweather.

Pacquiao may be at his best at Welter, but he is not a natural Welter like a Hearns or a Leonard, who both started their careers at Welter, and then moved up. Hearns, SRL, etc dominate Mayweather and Pacquiao, and anyone else around today at Welter, and probably above.

Got to go out anyway.

 

Throw in some allegations.
Make some racist rants.
Tell the whole world that Pac is an easy fight.
Win by default via fantasy matchup.

(NOTE: You need low IQ fans to be able to pull this off)

 

As much as I respect Pac for his awesome performances as he has gone up in weight, the current fighters at 147 and nothing like they were 10 years ago.
No one can criticise Pac for not taking on the best, he has done that without questions, the only problem is that he is fighting guys who wouldn't have got as look in 10 years ago.
The current Welterweights are weak, the fact that Yuri Foreman got a look in until he was soundly beaten by Cotto (who is a natural 140lb'er and not in his prime) demonstrates how sad the current division is.

Margarito is a good example. He was considered one of the best at this weight, yet he got soundly beaten by Shane Mosely who was well out of his prime. Guys like Clottey too would never have made the top 10 in 2000, he was neck and neck with Zab Judah when they fought, who by that stage was well and truly damaged goods.

Imagine what would have happened if Margarito fought guys like Oscar, Trinidad, Mosely and Forrest back in 2000.
There is no way he would have gotten a look in and I think Pac would have been in a situation, where he wouldn't have had the tools to deal with the advantages prime, large, physical welters would have had over him.

While no current Welters get much of a look in, go back 10 - 20 years and I think the situation would be a lot different.

A good comparison is Roberto Duran. An old faded Duran could likely beat most guys up to middle weight in a weak era, however even in his prime, the natural light weight loses too much physically to beat the absolute best like Hearns and Leonard, who of course did beat him at the time.

 

No need talking about it, if everything goes to plan, floyd should reveal it to you soon.

 

Woooh, go easy with the Floyd comparisons. I hate the ego maniac as much as the next person, but if you going to make comparisons, it's only fair to ask the following.
Would Floyd have lost to Eric Morales and fought what most see as two draws (and perhaps one defeat) to Juan Manuel Marquez?

Well, we don't have to speculate, we saw how easily Floyd dealt with Marquez, unfortunately the same would have happened at Light Weight.

 

' IF ' Shane doesn't stand around with his jittery punches
and lands a 1/2 then tie's him up and wrestles / out muscles him
in exchanges ....then he stands a good chance

BUT ......

i don't think shane has the stamina to do this at his age and due to his
last two fights !!!!!

 

You have to be ready to initiate shots and then counter when needed, else he won't respect you. Be prepared to trade with him, pot-shotting will not do he'll outpoint/outwork you, so you have to have a great chin you're gonna get tagged. And more importantly disrupt his rhythm and take him out of his comfort zone. Then prepare to do all of this for 12 rounds, hence you need great stamina. There's a blueprint to beating Pacquiao, the question is who has the ability to execute them (imo Floyd does).

 

I would never question that Manny has done more than Floyd at higher weights, especially in the last few years. While Floyd has taken time off and been very selective when choosing opponents, Manny has fought the best he can find.
His list in the last few years (really his last 10 opponents or so) has been amazing.
He can't be criticised for not seeking out the best, but I maintain he is a victim of his circumstances being in an era of welterweights which are very weak compared to 10 years and 20 years before that point.

I do agree with you that he has performed better at welter than as a lighter fighter, while guys like Marquez, Barrera and Morales are borderline all time greats, the guys he has fought at welter haven't been near that, which is a definite factor as why he has looked so good.

Zab Judah fits in the same list IMO as guys like Margarito, Clottey, Foreman etc. Champions thanks to a lacking talent pool, these guys wouldn't get a look in 10 years ago at this weight.
All things considered I think each has less to offer than someone like Vargas, who back then was a clear step below the best, always coming up short.
I guess you could argue that if Mosely competed against the best back then (as he came up in weight), then why couldn't Manny, the biggest difference between the two is quite a bit in terms of physical size though, which is why I think Pac may struggle.

Unfortunately, this weekends fight will tell us nothing, unless of course Mosely somehow outclasses Pac from start to finish (which would support my theory). That's about as likely as Mayweather signing to fight Pac though.
Through no fault of his own, we probably won't ever get to see Pac fight an in prime Welter who has proven themselves to be considered a "great" fighter.