Pacquiao Improves on Mayweather's Peformance vs Mosley

lewishamboy · May 8, 2011

Michigan Warrior you sad little ******, how painfully gay for FMJ can one man be

CoDer · May 8, 2011

MichiganWarrior said: ↑

Mayweather outmuscled Shane Mosley in their fight. EVeryone said it after the fight. You sound like you dont watch much boxing maybe you should go watch that fiht.

Power is meaningless in boxing if you cant find the target. Anyone who follows boxing should know that power in boxing means little. Hey guess what, Jeff Lacy punches harder then Hopkins. DERRRR.

Manny has failed to knockout his last 3 opponents. Only stopped Cotto. Last fighter Manny really knocked out was Hatton. Given Mayweather is a defensive genius Manny has little shot of knocking Floyd out.

And if Mosley can make Pacquiao miss so badly, he'll struggle to land anything aginst Mayweahter, and Mayweather is a master counter puncher, this fight didnt make your boy look good sorry.

You know nothing about boxing. Did Marquez seriously hurt Pacquiao? Did Morales? atsch

Exactly the very fact that his output was lowered by Shane Mosley of all people, a guy who is average at best defensively, says it all.

Now if Mosley could lower Manny's activity, hows he gonna look against Mayweather?

Sorry you're severly deluded. Its why you made this post. You're having doubts about your boy.
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Floyd out muscled Mosley. Mosley doesn't ever respect Floyd's power hence the high punch output.

Run and Pacman's workrate goes down.

Undisputed · May 8, 2011

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Now, we heard the fans booing like it was Mayweather vs Baldomir, and even a few fans left like they did in that stinker. I doubt, though, that we'll see Pacquiao cry at the post-fight press conference. Just a hunch.

Don't be fooled, though: Manny Pacquiao dominated Shane Mosley, and did so to a greater degree than did Floyd Mayweather, Jr.

First, the scores:

Mayweather vs Mosley
119-109 FM (11-1 rounds)
119-109 FM (11-1 rounds)
118-110 FM (10-2 rounds)

Pacquiao vs Mosley
120-107 MP (12-0 rounds plus a knockdown)
120-108 MP (12-0 rounds)
119-108 MP (11-1 rounds plus a knockdown)

As shown, Pacquiao scored better against Mosley than did Shane Mosley. Mayweather lost four times as many rounds on the judges cards against Mosley than did Pacquiao.

Second, Manny Pacquiao dropped Shane Mosley and nearly stopped the Sugar Man in the third round. Pacquiao also hurt Mosley on several other occasions. Though Mayweather came fairly close to stopping Mosley later in the bout on an accumulation of punishment, he never dropped Mosley and did not show the one-punch power Pacquiao did in this bout. That's another check in Pacquiao's column.

Finally, Pacquiao was never seriously hurt by Mosley and certainly never close to being stopped by Shane Mosley as was Floyd Mayweather. Check three.

Shane Mosley fought a "spoiler" kind of fight, especially after the third round knockdown. It made him seem more competitive, but he won one round on three judges' cards. Total. He fought to survive, to stay away from Pacquiao opening up on him by refusing to initiate his own offense. This, honestly, was Clottey-like in the second half of the bout.

So, Pacquiao outdid Mayweather in his bout with Mosley. We know that. But, did Pacquiao show holes that Mayweather could exploit?

Not necessarily. Floyd is not as big, not as strong and does not hit as hard as Mosley does. Pacquiao seemed very respectful of Mosley's power, perhaps too much so. Would he have the same regard for Mayweather's power? Probably not, though he would have to be careful of Floyd's counters.

At the end of the day, though, Pacquiao dominated the match. And that is because Mosley did not want to open up on offense. Mosley, that is, was essentially shut out. And that's ok, if you want to lose as Mosley and Clottey did against Pacquiao. You may survive.

However, if you actually want to try to defeat Pacquiao, you have to try to go on offense. And if you do that, if you go for that, then the third round can happen. If Floyd tries to win rounds against Pacquiao, he can get knocked out. That's probably the easiest way to say it. If he doesn't open up, then Pacquiao banks rounds. Just as I and Al Bernstein have said about a possible PBF-Pac match-up.

What this means, then, is that even if you can slow down Pacquiao's output -- as Mosley did tonight -- you still might get shut out on the scorecards. As Mosley basically did. That might be a good way to make your opponent look bad, but it's not a winning strategy. Not for Mosley, not for Mayweather, not for anyone.

Pacquiao was fighting himself tonight. He was "supposed" to get a KO. He didn't, and he didn't get to do what he normally does. But he still dominated the fight, and did so against a fast, much larger man who was able to knock Mayorga out at 154 lbs.

Think what you want. Just remember the facts.
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A year and two very bad performances later your saying pacquiao dominated mosley better than mayweather did???Sure if it makes you feel better.When mayweather takes your confidence aint no getting it back

paulfv · May 8, 2011

I've tried to do two responses. Can't do them right now, I guess, because of the high volume of posters here. Will try to respond more soon.

paulfv · May 8, 2011

Undisputed said: ↑

A year and two very bad performances later your saying pacquiao dominated mosley better than mayweather did???Sure if it makes you feel better.When mayweather takes your confidence aint no getting it back
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Mayweather couldn't even knock down JMM at 145 or whatever, let alone Mosley.

Only Forrest knocked down Mosley before tonight.

Pacquiao took a proud warrior tonight and turned him into a fearful Clottey impersonation. This is a guy that went to war with Floyd, and Mayorga, and others. Tonight? After Round 2 and Round 3, done. Didn't want any part of Pacquiao's power.

Floyd almost got KO'd himself by Mosley. Confidence taken? I don't think so. Mosley wanted to land that same right on Pac he did on Floyd. Until Round 3.

paulfv · May 8, 2011

Rexrapper 1 said: ↑

Don't agree at all with what is in bold. You don't punk Mosley around the ring if your not as strong as him. Who says you have to hurt Pac to win? What is this based on? Floyd actually has footwork unlike Mosley. He can move, hit Pac with straight rights, and counter when he comes in. What we do know is that Pac doesn't like fighters that move. He doesn't look as dominate. Fans think JMM gave Manny problems, Floyd is a different animal. Floyd ring IQ will win the fight.
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Mosley is a workout monster. Or at least he used to be. Was one of the strongest pound-for-pound fighters in the sport. Mayweather isn't. Now, Shane may have been tired in the Mayweather fight when Floyd pushed him around. Is Floyd as strong as him? No; not close.

I'm not saying Floyd can't beat Pac, though I don't think he would. What I'm saying -- the point of the post -- is that people's perception of the fight tonight is off. Shane fought a certain way, and Manny didn't get to do what he normally does. But Manny utterly dominated, and did so more convincingly than Mayweather did against Mosley. That's easy to miss because Pac didn't get the KO and didn't do his typical high-volume routine.

brassgod · May 8, 2011

paulfv said: ↑

Now, we heard the fans booing like it was Mayweather vs Baldomir, and even a few fans left like they did in that stinker. I doubt, though, that we'll see Pacquiao cry at the post-fight press conference. Just a hunch.

Don't be fooled, though: Manny Pacquiao dominated Shane Mosley, and did so to a greater degree than did Floyd Mayweather, Jr.

First, the scores:

Mayweather vs Mosley
119-109 FM (11-1 rounds)
119-109 FM (11-1 rounds)
118-110 FM (10-2 rounds)

Pacquiao vs Mosley
120-107 MP (12-0 rounds plus a knockdown)
120-108 MP (12-0 rounds)
119-108 MP (11-1 rounds plus a knockdown)

As shown, Pacquiao scored better against Mosley than did Floyd Mayweather. Mayweather lost four times as many rounds on the judges cards against Mosley than did Pacquiao.

Second, Manny Pacquiao dropped Shane Mosley and nearly stopped the Sugar Man in the third round. Pacquiao also hurt Mosley on several other occasions. Though Mayweather came fairly close to stopping Mosley later in the bout on an accumulation of punishment, he never dropped Mosley and did not show the one-punch power Pacquiao did in this bout. That's another check in Pacquiao's column.

Finally, Pacquiao was never seriously hurt by Mosley and certainly never close to being stopped by Shane Mosley as was Floyd Mayweather. Check three.

Shane Mosley fought a "spoiler" kind of fight, especially after the third round knockdown. It made him seem more competitive, but he won one round on three judges' cards. Total. He fought to survive, to stay away from Pacquiao opening up on him by refusing to initiate his own offense. This, honestly, was Clottey-like in the second half of the bout.

So, Pacquiao outdid Mayweather in his bout with Mosley. We know that. But, did Pacquiao show holes that Mayweather could exploit?

Not necessarily. Floyd is not as big, not as strong and does not hit as hard as Mosley does. Pacquiao seemed very respectful of Mosley's power, perhaps too much so. Would he have the same regard for Mayweather's power? Probably not, though he would have to be careful of Floyd's counters.

At the end of the day, though, Pacquiao dominated the match. And that is because Mosley did not want to open up on offense. Mosley, that is, was essentially shut out. And that's ok, if you want to lose as Mosley and Clottey did against Pacquiao. You may survive.

However, if you actually want to try to defeat Pacquiao, you have to attempt to go on offense. And if you do that, if you go for that, then the third round can happen. If Floyd tries to open-up and win rounds against Pacquiao, he can get knocked out. That's probably the easiest way to say it. If he doesn't open up, then Pacquiao banks rounds. Just as I and Al Bernstein have said about a possible PBF-Pac match-up.

What this means, then, is that even if you can slow down Pacquiao's output -- as Mosley did tonight -- you still might get shut out on the scorecards. As Mosley basically did. That might be a good way to make your opponent look bad, but it's not a winning strategy. Not for Mosley, not for Mayweather, not for anyone.

Pacquiao was fighting himself tonight. He was "supposed" to get a KO. He didn't, and he didn't get to do what he normally does. But he still dominated the fight, and did so against a fast, much larger man who was able to knock Mayorga out at 154 lbs.

Think what you want. Just remember the facts.
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MichiganWarrior · May 8, 2011

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Undisputed · May 8, 2011

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Mayweather couldn't even knock down JMM at 145 or whatever, let alone Mosley.

Only Forrest knocked down Mosley before tonight.

Pacquiao took a proud warrior tonight and turned him into a fearful Clottey impersonation. This is a guy that went to war with Floyd, and Mayorga, and others. Tonight? After Round 2 and Round 3, done. Didn't want any part of Pacquiao's power.

Floyd almost got KO'd himself by Mosley. Confidence taken? I don't think so. Mosley wanted to land that same right on Pac he did on Floyd. Until Round 3.
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If it makes you feel better.:---( In case you want to konw when and where mosleys confidence was sucked out of him here you go enjoy [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAC6o9420fc[/ame]

Mayweathers perfomance against mosley will be remembered. Pacquiaos performance against mosley was hardly memorable.

paulfv · May 8, 2011

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I tried to respond to your posts twice, and they both got dinged, for whatever reason. They were long, I'm not writing them again right now.

Anyways, to try to help the readers of the forum understand the limits of your "knowledge" here, the following item from a post-fight article:

Mosleys trainer Naziim Richardson revealed soon after the fight that he had been close to pulling his charge out before the start of the last round
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Source: HERE

I understand that you seem to be concerned with "spinning" things in Floyd's favor. That's my opinion. But stay grounded in the facts. Your credibility will be better if you do.

paulfv · May 8, 2011

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Yep. I'm quite serious.

paulfv · May 8, 2011

Undisputed said: ↑

Mayweathers perfomance against mosley will be remembered. Pacquiaos performance against mosley was hardly memorable.
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The reason why posts like mine are written, the original post of the thread, is to disabuse "hype" renditions of events, just as you describe.

Mayweather's performance vs Mosley may be remembered as more dominant than was Pacquiao's. But it wasn't, and that's why I wrote the first post. To clarify that.

brassgod · May 8, 2011

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Yep. I'm quite serious.
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igor_otsky · May 8, 2011

MichiganWarrior said: ↑

Mayweather landed 208 punches out of 400+

Manny landed 182 punches out of 500+

Mosley landed 95 punches on Mayweather out of 400+

How exactly did Manny out perform Mayweahter. Outside of the knockdown what did Pacquiao do better?

Mosley landed 85 punches on Manny out of 200+
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Who has better defense now? lol

I kid. Mayweather is the better defensive fighter. But based on your stat, it terms of punch output in offense-defense, May and Pac did almost the same effective punches. The only difference us, Pac KD Mosley and made him use the bicycle.

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