$1,000,000.00 Question: Did Manny Outperform Floyd?

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  1. Tyler-Durden

    Tyler-Durden Boxing Junkie banned

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    1 million = 1.000.000,00
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  2. Emeritus

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    Im not disagreeing wit you......but imo it was close.

    Pac is more of an offensive fighter so in theory he should llook much better than a defensively minded fighter.

    Not to mention that Shane was running all night and didnt really want to engage I thought Manny would have cut off the ring and made Shane quit or K.O

    I guess the reason I made this thread is because I was a little disappointed in Shane and Mannys performance I was sure Manny was going to punish Mosely when I saw round 3.

    Not to mention you have to give PBF some credit for taking Shane on first after his Margo fight, no matter what Shane hasnt looked good in his fights leading up to the Pac man fight.

    So all in all I think it isnt clear and Im not sure who I pick even now, both sides have made some good arguements
     
  3. Emeritus

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    Im English the way I typed it was correct here. I didnt realise Americans (or any other nation) used full stops instead of commas - thanks for the correction :good
     
  4. Harlem AL

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    It was push from a punch. It also was counted. Whether is was a legit or doesn't matter. It was counted. It shouldn't have but it was. The red can't look at the replay like mr and you.
     
  5. kirk

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    I think its close too. They both made shane go into a shell and then dominated him. Like I said, if someone wanted to say they were on par with eachother for different reasons, I could see where ones coming from on that one.

    Youre right, hes the offensive fighter, and he presents way way more openings for someone like Mosley to exploit, and yet mosley still had better shots against Mayweather then he did pac. So pac is suppossed to be the 'offensive' guy, and yet shane had more successes against Mayweather then he did against Pac.

    Thats just it though. Its a lot harder to stop a guy whos ONLY goal has become to survive. Especially when you make that guy a tough, durable, and powerful guy like Mosley. after he was knocked down, and went into straight survival mode, I think its a little much to ask Pac to be the first person to ever stop Mosley when hes in there no longer to even try but only to survive.

    Pac thrives on openings, counterings, and then overwelming guys that have been worn down by him over the course of the fight..... Mosley provided practically nothing to go off (and Pac still knocked him down)



    The fight was dissapointing to me too. But that was almost entirely down to Shane... just like the Mayweather fight. Also, Pac didnt seem quite as sharp as he normally is, for whatever reasons. But it needs to be remembered that he was in there with a guy who had never been stopped, rarely ever even been down, who has KO power and good speed, and who decided after getting busted that he wanted to go the distance and did everything he could to ensure that by practically retreating the entire fight.


    For sure :good And I said that before this fight.

    They both fought an old, past prime mosley. Thats just a fact.

    But Mayweather fought Mosley when he was considered one of his biggest if not main threat (outside of pac) and was also considered by many to be 'the man' in the division.... who was coming off one of the biggest wins of his career and who many said mayweather would never fight.

    Pac fought Mosley with Mosley not having won a fight in over two years, when many in the boxing world were actively wondering if he should hang up the gloves, and someone who shouldnt be getting a fight of this magnitude all things considered.

    That I completely agree with.

    Just imo (and i realise its just my opinion, not fact :lol: :good)

    Things can be close, but clear.

    There is no way that to me personally, Mayweather had the better night against Mosley.

    Their performences were close, because they both dominated Mosley, but at the end of the night Mosley had more moments against the bigger, 'more skilled' and 'defensive minded' Mayweather, then he had against Pac.... and then, on top of that, Pac actually dropped Mosley, with not a flash knockdown, but a true, legit one punch knock down for the first time in however many years.

    Both dominated Mosley, and if someone wants to compare the fights, they are both close because of just how much they did dominate him. But I just look at who did Mosley have more success against? (mayweather) What fight would he rather go through again? (mayweather) What fight was he actually seriously hurt, face swelling in fight, and put down in? (Pac)

    Close, but clear, for me.


    But at the end of the day, its splitting hairs, both dominated the crap out of Mosley.....
     
  6. BagsWithDust

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    Mayweather dominated a mosley who wasnt coming off a brutal loss and an ugly draw. Manny fought possibly the most shot mosley out there.

    I dont find manny's performance (aside from the knockdown) impressive at all. Manny couldnt even put away a scared mosley
     
  7. Emeritus

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    You make some great points, the only thing I would say for Shane hurting Mayweather as he clearly did, was at least that Shane put up some sort of a fight before getting dominated - he came to fight!

    I think Pac hit him hard before Shane got the chance to even attempt to pull the trigger and when he felt the power he decided he didnt want none of that LOL!

    I also thought PBF was more effective at hitting Shane than Manny which suprised me as he is defense first fight and also showed more ring generalship

    But you are right we are splitting hairs.....

    Lets talk about Hatton lol who had the better performance their?
     
  8. demigawd

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    It's correct in the usa as well
     
  9. caneman

    caneman 100% AllNatural Xylocaine Full Member

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    Can you repeat the question to Shane as there are too many stars circling around his eyes and his ears ringing. :yep

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  10. Kel1981

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    He's wrong, not you.
     
  11. caneman

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  12. KnuckleUp99

    KnuckleUp99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    When you say "MOVEMENT"....you mean "RUNNING".... With PAC, Shane ran....with Floyd, he stood there and got out classed. But if Shane stood there with PAC....best believe it would have been an early night for Shane.
     
  13. Royal-T-Bag

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    Mayweather clearly beat a better version of Mosley and looked more in control while doing it. Mayweather did exactly what he wanted in there whereas there was many times Pac couldn't execute his gameplan and looked frustrated by Mosley's movement and slickness (even though Mosley is far from slick). Also Mosley was more motivated and confident for the Mayweather fight and coming off a huge win and was at the time the #1 WW in the world and not coming off of 2 perfomances where he was called shot after both.
     
  14. osreyes77

    osreyes77 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I see it like this.

    Both fighters pretty much pitched a shutout, difference is, Shane rocked Floyd in the second round with 2 devestating shots while Pac was never once in trouble. I gave Shane the 1st round against Pac just because he was a bit busier, and I gave Shane the 2nd round against Floyd due to the fact that he almost broke Floyd's neck with those 2 shots. Now as far as accuracy goes, Floyd was more accurate but lets not forget that Floyd barely throws punches. When your punch output is very low, you damn well better be accurate. Pac is a volume puncher and is a big part of his fight game, so of course he's not going to be AS accurate. Especially when he's fighting someone who's running backwards the whole fight and refuses to engage.
     
  15. KnuckleUp99

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    :lol:Don't be so desperate......Better version of Shane would be the one DLH beat. Not the one who lost to PAC and Floyd. If anything Shane was rusty after being stagnant for over a year before fighting Floyd. At lest with PAC Shane was active and can't blame the rust.

    PAC only looked frustrated b/c of Shane running...which is a common thing when it comes to PAC's opponents after feeling his arsenal.

    And it kills me to think some of you actually believe this ****.....do you really give credit to Shane for running? You call it Slickness? That was running son...it was survival for Shane. Floyd got rocked by Shane and Shane got rocked by Manny....the difference is HUGE if PAC rocked Floyd b/c Floyd wouldn't be let off the hook!