Pacquiao irrefutably outperformed Floyd against Shane

Pacquiao won the round: 10-9
He got knocked down: 9-9

Pacquiao got a 120 score because a couple of the judges chose to ignore the KD which is a blatant breaking of the rules. Referees decision rules, what's next, the ring anouncer is going to reverse a stoppage? Pac should have gotten a 119 score.

Simpleton...

 

:deal Pointed this out in another thread were a number of Manny fans thought it didn't matter in the slightest that Manny couldn't cut off the ring or get to Shane properly until the last 4 rounds when Mosley was starting to tire badly. Most disappointing aspect of the night along with Mosley's own inability to fire off counters on Manny as he drew him in down the middle. Shane did impress me with his defense though. If Floyd doesn't take the fight now it is never going to happen because I think the Mosley-Pacquiao fight was perhaps the best incentive for Floyd to take that fight, I think Floyd would win a win decision after that.

 

he only tried to punch back again in the last 30 secs. assuming defensive postion and then holding on shane when shane's punching is a sign that he he's not yet recovered.

 

I saw the thread you're talking about but I don't think I made a reply in it.

With Mayweather-Pacquiao, Floyd is not prime anymore and still relies on his reflexes quite a bit which doesn't help an aging,inactive fighter and people need to remember this. Pacquiao may have slipped a bit but still has good speed that could trouble the rusty Floyd who hasn't fought a fighter with very fast foot and handspeed since 06 when he fought Judah. Both need to either fight each other in their next fight or retire.

 

The most telling aspect of this fight is that Mosely was scared of Pac. He basically admitted that much by saying he didn't want to take any risks because he could get KO.

He wasn't scared of Floyd.

 

Use your brain you idiot. Did you not see the difference between how Mosley fought Pac and Floyd?

Against Floyd, he was engaging. Against Pac he was on his bike on survival mode all night. He was running away from Pac after the KD. If Shane fought Pac the same way he fought Floyd, Pac would obviously land more punches and at a higher percentage.

 

So when he sat on the ropes against N'Dou and let him throw a ridiculous amount of shots it was because he hadn't recovered from something?

Mayweather has always been prepared to use the shell so opponents can throw with little getting through, if he was hurt for 90 seconds he wouldn't have continued to push forward.

 

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I'm a fan of both Floyd and Manny, but come on Floyd's performance against Shane was far better than Manny's against Shane.

As i said above, i'm a fan of Manny, but what pisses me off is Manny's fan's, who basically deny any common sense, any reasoning, refuse to learn or listen. You cannot say a single negative thing about Manny to them, and if you do they straight away say that "you don't know a thing about Boxing" or "he still outperformed Floyd" or "Flamo". It's people like this that make me want to see a fighter i'm a fan of (Manny), actually get beat or retire so they'll all **** off away from this Sport because their god has left or been proved not invincible.

Back to the fight...

Floyd beat Shane who was 1 year younger, come of a brilliant performance against Margarito, although he did have a 16 month layoff, he'd been in a training camp for a fight with Andre Berto, so it's not as if he was doing a Ricky Hatton.

Manny fought a 1 year older Shane, who'd come off a mentally challenging beatdown from Floyd, a bore draw with a rubbish Sergio Mora and hadn't fought in 7 month.

That in my mind equal's that the Shane Floyd fought was better than the one Manny fought. Now for the performance...

First of all to the person who said shot's landed doesn't matter, you ****ing ******. It matter's.

Fair enough Shane was ultra defensive against Manny, but Manny couldn't trap Shane or walk him down like Floyd did, he just followed Shane all night. Floyd walked down Shane, fair enough Shane was a bit more offensive against Floyd but that mean's Floyd was there to be hit where as Manny wasn't... And the % of them being hit was exactly the same.

Manny deserves the criticism he's getting for this fight in my opinion. When he picked up his usual busy pace, Shane looked screwed to be honest, but Manny never kept this pace up. Is it because he couldn't be bothered? Is it because he can't nomore? We don't know but whatever the reason, it's his own fault.

The advantages in their performances is Manny put Shane down, and Manny wasn't rocked where Floyd was, they're big points to pick up on but if you look at the overall performance, only a vegetable would argue Manny's performance was better

 

Those stats just reaffirms that Pac did better. Who cares if PBF was more accurate if Pac landed more? I tell you this, I would rather throw 20 punches at my opponent and hit him 10 times than throw 10 and hit him 7.

You also pointed out Pac got hit less, thanks. Yes Mosley was more inactive, but thats credit to Pac, if you ask Mosley, he himself said he was afraid to open up because of Pac's power. Floyd made Mosley afraid to open up because of counterpunching, Pac made Mosley afraid to open up because of power, Pac's power was more effective as it kept Mosley in his shell more.

 

I think any sort of potential ring rust is the thing which would make me think Manny has any chance of pulling out a win now. Until now I had felt that a Floyd decision was most likely but that he could expect hell from Manny, but the Pacquiao-Mosley fight had quite a few things that worried me about any potential competitiveness between Manny and Floyd.

When they were both stood in front of each other waiting for the other to engage, and Mosley was pumping out his jab, I thought he was doing the better work when he went up top with the jab and then downstairs with the right. Manny seemed to have trouble tagging Shane consistently when Shane was stood there throwing the jab, the 1-2 just wasn't landing enough for Manny on Shane, and his right hook over Shane's jab just saw Shane roll under it. I think Floyd will take a lot from that, if/when he gets round to watching the fight.

Another problem seemed to be Manny's patience. He really beat the **** out of Hatton, Cotto and Margarito when they kept coming in a straight line towards him and Manny could counter, then get them on the back foot when they had taken too much damage coming in. So when Shane wasn't willing to engage, Manny had to take initiative. So when Manny was going forward trying to throw a combination, Shane was backing up and moving but Manny was still throwing. If Shane had thrown some shots while Manny was over extending himself to try and hit him, Shane would have had some success. The problem was Shane just didn't look like he had the ability to take the chances with those open opportunities. The real problem came when Manny kept doing the same thing right down the middle and wasn't achieving anything solid in the first 8 rounds or so, for me at least. It wasn't like he was making any effort to try and cut the ring off. I think Floyd would be able to draw Manny in because he has the longer reach, so if they're both stood in front of each other at range, Floyd reach will help him out there. Then when Manny has to go forward I think Floyd has the feet to move and then take advantage of the opportunities that Shane couldn't.

I do hope Manny retires now to be honest, because I don't think Floyd's behaviour (towards Boxing) in recent years means that he deserves Manny's name on his resume. Also outside of Floyd there is no one for him to fight really, and word has it that Khan-Bradley isn't going ahead because Bradley is off to Top Rank in search of a showdown with Manny. Manny will ruin Bradley like he did Cotto and Hatton.

 

Not necesarily true. Thats like saying that the Morales Raheem beat was better than the Morales that beat Pac 1st fight, as Morales from that fight was coming off a win over Pac yet the other Morales was coming off a loss to MAB.

A loss is a loss, it dont mean you become more past prime after it. Think about it, if you play basketball or whatever, does your skills automatically diminish if you lose a game? lol. There is a lot more to factor into being past prime than simply loosing.

 

Point taken, i understand...

But do you think the beatdown Shane was given by Floyd didn't effect Shane mentally in any way? Because i think it did