This is all pretty true, but then you also have to factor in Tyson's chin, combination punching and George's zero defence and wide looping punches. Or is he just going to push Tyson around all night without throwing punches.
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0sEMDF7t8k[/ame] Question, when was Tyson ever staggering around and going down like this so early in a fight? The answer is never There's reasons for that.
Sure Tyson could be pushed out of a clinch, but he wasnt being backed up. Trevor Berbick (a fight more comparable), was pushing Tyson back.. Foreman might push him back but Tyson would tag him with his speed coming forward in a similar manner, and Foreman would be there to be hit hard. FOreman pushed guys back but he really didnt punch after he did it. Ribalta is not a good example, he was tall lanky and mobile, but took a tremendous one sided beating and he didnt have much of any kind of success dictating any of the fight. Smith was more there to hold, and if Tyson was winning one sided, he would allow himself to be held.
The point about Ribalta is that he was never a phenomenally strong fighter but he was able to push Tyson away from him several times. And every time they clinched he could walk forward and push Tyson back that way too. This suggests to me that it's a flaw in Tyson, probably the weakness of his stance. And Foreman is a guy that pushes and shoves everyone around. The point about Smith is that he was a big slow ponderous guy yet he could put him arms out and grab ahold of Tyson's shoulders. That's another thing Foreman did to every short-armed fighter he fought. He held them in place, pushed them back, spun them around. And obviously Foreman was a vicious aggressive strong beast, with a great powerful uppercut. He's not going to just hold and push Tyson to get a respite and survive. He's going to do it aggressively, and throw a ton of bombs at Tyson as well. I see Foreman's flaws too. But I don't think Tyson's style and attributes are the ones to make Foreman pay. And Tyson's weaknesses play to Foreman's strengths.
Foreman was such a defensive slob when he was younger. He was just so much incredibly stronger than most of his opponents. An accurate puncher would always exploits that weakness though.
I'm not sure if pushing back Tyson really helps either. In doing so, it negates some of Tyson's most glaring weaknesses, namely infighting. Tyson was lazy on the inside and actually waited for the referee to break them up, so that he could go back to mid range and explode with rapidfire combinations. This latency on the inside would be capitalized on by the likes of Louis and others but wouldn't be a factor against Foreman. Essentially all Foreman's doing by pushing him back is making the referees job easier and giving Tyson more chances to come in, where at which point Tyson's straighter and faster shots will deal out serious damage to a guy who never learned to properly defend himself.
Tyson liked to be pushed back into range so he throw a big shot. What Tyson didnt like was being kept off balance by punches, and thats what Douglas did. He kept Tyson in his range, but he kept firing too. Foreman just didnt have that kind of skillset in my opinion. It took a big strong guy but also a guy who had the speed and footwork to punch and keep Tyson off balance and offset.
Berbick pushed Tyson back and bombed him with a few uppercuts in the opening moments of the fight - but Berbick couldn't punch. Foreman would break Tyson's rhythm easily by pushing him. And of course he'd land some serious punches. Tyson could be caught coming in by someone big standing his ground. Ribalta is a good example because his performances overall show that he wasn't a particularly strong fighter for his size - 6'6 and 211 pounds. Yet even he could push Tyson back and walk him around a bit. Foreman is likely to push Tyson into a corner and set him up for some killer uppercuts. All Tyson knows is come forward, but he can't go through Foreman.
Lyle isn't a big puncher but looked like Joe Louis here because he was capable of throwing hard shots down the pipe. Frazier is a great but was overweight and simply too weak of a physical specimen and athlete to compete with George. Tyson, by contrast, is a freak. Foreman-Shavers or even Foreman-Quarry would have answered my questions. This is the only fight where Lyle shows serious power, why is that ?
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Exrpoc6GP60[/ame] the question is when tyson did win a fight after he was knocked down? answer is never :hi:
You can't leave openings like Foreman did against a puncher of Tyson's caliber. Bottom line. It's a boxing match. He's going to be throwing punches, not just pushing for 3 minutes of every round. When he starts throwing, Foreman's huge defensive holes are going to be capitalized on, he's not fighting a chinny Ron Lyle here.
yes yes and peak foreman was foreman 77 who fought jimmy young, peak tyson was only tyson 86 when he did beat berbick right? tyson would beat foreman basing on tyson was similar to lyle(who was 6ยด3 and he had longer reach than tyson and probably was physically stronger than tyson). tyson would beat foreman because he would fight like jimmy young(tyson was the little jimmy). tyson was past his prime when he was destroyed by douglas, prime tyson 86(january-december) would beat god in the sky. because he did beat trevor berbick and james tillis and kevin rooney cus damato blabla right?