james jeffries in the 1950's

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  1. Mr Butt

    Mr Butt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    if we could transplant jeffries into the 1950's how would he of done given that he would of been trained using the 1950's methods
     
  2. mcvey

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    Pretty well I should think, he could lose decisions to the likes of Walcott and Charles, but he would be in barn burner fights with Rocky,Bob Baker, Rex Layne ,Nino Valdes etc.
    The 50's is often seen as a weak era, but there were plenty of guys that could fight,a lot of them were on a par with each other so they dropped verdicts with some regularity, allmost like a pass the parcel .
    Clarence Henry,Coley Wallace, Earl Walls, all very capable fighters,towards the end of the decade Machen ,Patterson ,Jackson. Jeffries would fit well I beleive, but not dominate, his style of take three, to give one, and wear down your man, would not work against bigger ,better co-ordinated fighters.imo.

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  3. Pachilles

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    :lol:Coincidence that you picked the modern Heavyweight era with the least amount of significant blacks in it?

    Jeffries would be out of his depth from 1940 onwards
     
  4. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Yeah, there were no slick fighters in that era.
     
  5. janitor

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    If you look at the rankings for that period, you will see that it was verry much a black dominated division.

    Of course that only becomes an issue once Jeffries holds the title.
     
  6. mcvey

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    This assumes of course, that he actually wins it in the 50's.
     
  7. janitor

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    Obviously Rocky Marciano is not a champion who can be taken for granted.

    Jeffries would certainly have taken fights with guys like Charles, Valdez, Baker, or Satterfield to secure a shot at the title.
     
  8. mcvey

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    The 50's saw five Champs atop the heavyweight throne,Charles, Walcott, Marciano, Patterson, and Johannson. Jeffries might have his best chances against Floyd and Ingo.
    Of course he might also get bombed away by the likes of a Mike DeJohn, Bob Baker,Clarence Henry, Nino Valdes, or outpointed by a Lastarza, Machen ,or a Folley.
     
  9. janitor

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    I can't categoricaly say that this wouldn't happen, but I think it is verry unlikley. My interpretation is that Jeffries was a level or two above those guys.

    Another factor is that Jeffries would not have been moved along so quickly in this era. He would have been put in with these guys when he was ready for them.
     
  10. Pachilles

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    Yes, it was very much a black dominated division, but still, the least black dominated division out of all the eras since the colour line was broken:yep
     
  11. mcvey

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    I think it likely he beats the bangers,but I would not be suprised if Machen for example, could not steal a decision from him.I say Machen instead of Folley because Folley was more stationary than Machen, and therefore would not be as elusive a target.
    Walcott I can see taking a 15 rd dec from Jeffries, in fact I think it probable, Charles would have a shout too ,imo. Marciano and Jeffries would be a war.
     
  12. janitor

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    What about the one we are in now?
     
  13. Pachilles

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    So with the 30's, 40's, 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's, do you concede that they were heavily dominated by black fighters?

    Or is my point completely baseless because in the worst HW era since the 20's, the 00's, two white giants reign(one of which was made to look like pizza by the aged, ready to retire champion of the previous era)
     
  14. janitor

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  15. Pachilles

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