What advice was Foreman's corner giving him in the rumble in the Jungle?

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  1. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    It seems that Foreman gassed early in this match. Does anyone know what advice Foreman's corner was giving him?

    This was an awful performance by Foreman. I only gave him two clean rounds, his punches lacked power in the mid rounds, and his strategy never changed despite being countered and beaten to the punch.
     
  2. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The thing is,Foreman just did n't know what to do here. There was bugger all wrong with him,in spite of all the conspiracy theories floating around at the time. This was the same man who blasted out Frazier,Norton and Roman. George was up against a man who was a force of nature that night. George's corner were probably saying stuff like "Keep it up....Ali's an old man,you'll eventually wear him down.."
     
  3. Stevie G

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    Good post,orriray :good
     
  4. Unforgiven

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    Foreman fought badly, but that was largely Ali's doing.
     
  5. punk

    punk Well-Known Member Full Member

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    His corner would be pretty much be giving him the same instructions as previous fights i would imagine.
     
  6. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Something like..."get him George...get him!!"
     
  7. PowerPuncher

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    He should have gone to the body, I heard it said he thought he could break an opponents arm after doing it once and was trying to do the same to Ali, maybe they were telling him to goto the body. Corner work imo is a little overrated boxers do what they can do, what they've trained to do or what they are experienced more often than not, picking up the pace is an option ofcourse. But yea he should have been going to the body more
     
  8. RockysSplitNose

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    Them body shots in round 5 from Foreman would've killed anyone else

    did hear Archie Moore saying something on a video (15 greatest rounds ever) - something like

    "Sometimes George you know is very difficult to...talk to....and when a man has his own way of fighting...and has been in that way for a long time...it is very difficult for him to....trust you"

    you wonder whether George was listening to anything anyone was saying to him??

    But Ali? On another plain altogether that night - his god was carrying him home
     
  9. Stevie G

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    There's nothing that George could have done to beat Muhammad on that night. Passed his prime,or not,Muhammad would have been a handful for any prime heavy in the history of boxing,in Zaire.
     
  10. la-califa

    la-califa Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Might not have mattered what they said. George by his own admission, was an angry young man & probably would not have lustebed & changed his strategy. if he could. his style was go out & destroy.
     
  11. PetethePrince

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    He went to the body plenty...
     
  12. Valane

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    He could just as easily been countered to death and stopped himself against dangerous guys.

    Ali had Foremans number that much i agree on. He had his way in the clinches, was countering with straight punches down the middle and had the grit and toughness to take whatever punishment slipped through.
     
  13. zadfrak

    zadfrak Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Sadler gave between rounds advice to Foreman. Moore claimed he was giving advice to Sadler between rounds because he saw what Ali was doing in there. But Sadler never delivered those particular instructions to George.

    Archie also said it wouldn't have made any difference. at that stage, Ali was too smart for foreman and would've just gone onto something else, no matter what changes George attempted.
     
  14. Mendoza

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    I think Foreman was the dope. He punched himself out. He should have thrown less punches when Ali was on the ropes and clinched / mauled Ali. More straight jabs too, especially when Ali was covering up for nothing else but to land something for the judges.

    Ali had the same fight plan vs. Lyle and was down on points until Ali rallied for the TKO stoppage.