What makes you so convinced that Haye will lose?

just that wlad is so bloody reliable that jab always lands and for years no one has manged to get past it and land anything decent on him

That said i think haye has the movement and speed to get past it and land something decent.... but i dunno wlad is big powerful and hits hard enough to put better chinned fighters down and out

 

I think it's more dislike for Haye that is causing certain quarters to dismiss him. At the end of the day the bookies only have Wlad a slight favourite.

I'm curious to see how Wlad deals with Haye's footspeed. He's had guys standing in front of him the last few fights. Haye could very well isolate Wlad's jab with his movement. I'm leaning towards Wlad but it's very much up in the air.

 

"What makes you so convinced that Haye will lose?"

I'm not.

 

Ok, here is my take:

Haye has speed, but he has been in competitive fights with smaller fighters that aren't fast, like Fragomeni and Mormeck. While he can explode with speed, he is not an overall fast fighter, he doesn't move that well, otherwise smaller, slower, less talented fighters wouldn't have hit him with good punches. If Mormeck can KD him (and that was one of Haye's BEST fights), what can Wlad do? Of course you can always refer to Wlad's losses, but those where his worst performances, Haye on his best nights was hittable by Fragomeni, Mormeck, Ruiz. Old Mercer would have beaten those three fighters, and easily, not to mention Chagaev, Chambers, Thompson, Brock, Byrd, young Peter.

Wlad has developed his potential through many fights, including setbacks. Haye has a diva - attitude, has fought few fights for his age. The step up in competition is much bigger for Haye. Current Wlad wouldn't fall prey to Sanders like he did in 2003. Haye has never been in the ring with anyone to really challenge him, Thompson was probably mostly a case of Haye overpacing. Haye said after Barrett that his jab felt like a CW's right hand...what will Wlad's jab feel like? How will Haye react when he blocks the right hand and can sense the power behind it? Wlad has been knocked down by Sanders and Peter, who might easily hit as hard as Haye and he wasn't KO'd from one shot. He lost to Sanders because he was clueless and won against Peter because he learned what to do in a situation like that. I don't see Haye getting four knockdowns against this version of Wlad and one punch doesn't do it.

 

The fact that Wladimir Klitschko is much better than him.

 

their heavyweight accomplishments and how they got to this point. i kind of feel sorry for wlad when people are making haye out to be his big test. makes him out to be the valedictorian of the special ed class. is this his frasier? his holyfield?

 

"What makes you so convinced that Haye will lose?"

His fights with Fragomeni, Mormeck and Valuev.

 

That's not the right way to look at it. Mormeck is a stocky bull who had the mobility to get under Haye, get close, and charge him with heavy shots. Wlad won't do that. He'll paw with the jab, try and hold etc. His offense is completely different to Mormeck and far easier for a fighter like Haye to deal with. De La Hoya got knocked down by a Quartey head shot, but took Hopkin's ones all night long, so it's not as simple as that.

Haye will win this, and make lot of people look stupid in the process.

Wlad has been fighting complete bums for years, just fat ****s who stand there and do not have the atheticism to spring in and out with the kind accurate free-style hooks that Haye can unleash.

As Haye as always said as well, he's alot harder to hit than people think. Opponents always say that after fights

 

you make fair points but look at Frag' and look at Mormeck's fighting styles, they aren't remotely similar to Wlad's. those guys were straight up fighters. Wlad is a boxer puncher. those guys either pressured Haye or tried to bomb him out. Wlad's a guy who works behind the jab all night and occasionally releases left hooks off the jab or a straight right. so i don't think theres much of a comparison here at all to be honest.

the way i see it is. neither fighter can take the others best shot. so it all comes down to who can land the most significant blow first.

Wlad has a couple of things going for him which can help him land his bomb b4 Haye:
Range
a great jab
very tall, and fights tall. which makes him hard to catch clean for smaller fighters

and as for Haye:
speed
power in either hand
respectable reflexes and counter punching ability

so basically, i think the fight can go either way......i wouldn't be shocked if either guy won. in-fact the only thing that would shock me is if this fight actually went the distance.

 

If Haye had done something special and fought an opponent with a pulse and clearly beat him i would give him more credit. But he have done nothing at HW than any other good fighter could do too + he is acting like he is the goddamn king of the division!

Before he proves himself and back up his words he is nothing but hot air! But honestly i dont see Haye have anything special that can cause Wlad any (big) trouble

 

I want Haye to lose.
Probably wont bet on it though.

 

i think haye is wrong for him. but, if wlad wins, that would not surprise me either. he has been that dominating

 

Haye has all those attributes, but Wlad is quick in his own right, and he clearly has power, so its not like he's fighting some slow footed/methodical guy like Valuev, Harrison, Barrett. Haye could exploit those guys more with his athleticism because THEY aren't athletic themselves.

Its not just about being athletically gifted, having the tools to get it done when you get into position, you have to find a way to get your feet into those position, WITHOUT paying a price whilst you do that, and that is where Haye's problems lie, he has to get from A to B to implement what people perceive to be his strengths against Wlad, but he has his own weaknesses in terms of defense, durability.

Haye is a weak chinned fighter who's gotta fight an aggressive fight against a huge puncher.

I wont rule Haye out, cause Wlad's chin doesn't convince me either, either does his ability to handle pressure situations when he gets hurt, and thats without talking about how disorganized he gets when crowded.

Wlad holds all the advantages as far as im concerned in terms of ability to dictate and control whilst its a Boxing match, but Haye could change the whole complexion of the fight by landing a big punch and hurting Wlad, that could shake him out of what he's doing, and with how Wlad gets disorganized, Haye's power, Wlad's chin, Wlad's percieved lack of fighting heart, he deffo has a chance in that sense.


I see this fight as 60/40 Wlad for the reasons stated.

 

Only that nobody except Valuev and Harrison found Haye hard to hit...

This whole style thing is only relevant if fighters are remotely close in class. Mormeck finds it easier to hit Haye than Wlad? Wlad is a master at controlling range and far more elusive fighters than Haye, like Chris Byrd, couldn't help but get hammered by Wlad. I don't see Mormeck landing any leather on Byrd, Chambers or Thompson.

Wlad is just the overall better fighter, more talented,more capable. He was Olympic champion at 19, Haye was a good amateur but far from that level. Haye on his absolutely best nights was less convincing against lesser fighters than thos Wladimit dominated on his best nights.