What makes you so convinced that Haye will lose?

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  1. taobum70

    taobum70 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Youn don't mention power for Wlad? He hits much,much harder than anything Haye has ever felt. Wlad has been hit by good punchers and learned to deal with it, see his improvement from Sanders to Peter. His chin is vulnerable, but he isn't getting KO'd from one shot.
     
  2. GladiatoR

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    Haye's style is a good counter to Wlad, but he's not good enough to beat him.

    Even though Haye relies on his reflexes, he still gets tagged with too many shots but gets away with it due to his speed/power. Speed/power doesn't matter if you cannot get in range to throw punches and Wlad's going to use his jab to negate Haye's strengths.

    I see Haye getting hit with Wlad's jab constantly, rather than slipping and countering.
     
  3. madballster

    madballster Loyal Member Full Member

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    It's all about probability for me. I'd give Haye a 30 %'ish chance to pull off the upset. I wouldn't bet the farm on a Wlad win but IMO a Wlad win is the outcome that is to be expected.

    Haye has the tools to give Wlad trouble, yes. There's a big difference between giving someone trouble and making someone lose though.
     
  4. Uncle Rico

    Uncle Rico Loyal Member Full Member

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    Some good comments guys, keep'em coming.
     
  5. dvb

    dvb Well-Known Member Full Member

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    people really dislike Haye and chose to decide haye will lose cuz they dont like him.

    a lot of people are underestimating,down playing Haye's skills,abilities and ring IQ.

    A lot of people are over rating Wladimirs skill set and boxing iq,same for steward.

    Haye will fight a specific gameplan for beating wlad.

    Wlad will be troubled by Haye actually moving about,keeping away from the right hand,stopping the jab being thrown,stopping the jabs landing,and forcing wlad to be rushed and pushed about into a real fight.

    Watch how likes of chambers,ibragimov,chageav,sanders,they all in parts stop wlad being comfortable,stop him landing as much,they themselves land shots on wlad(but most were doing it too far out and dont have power anyway)

    Haye will move to the right /get to the angles,feint and land 2-3 punch combinations that are fast and powerful.I expect him to set punches up with body shots,land straight lefts,looping right hands and left hooks.

    i think people are underatating haye's power,but everyone who spars and fights him says he hits harder than what they thought,and hits hard for someone his size.
     
  6. speck

    speck Milky Way Resident Full Member

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    Haye has a mediocre defence and suspicious chin. I'm expecting him to be a run from the get-go until he finally succumbs to fatigue, gets sloppy and Wlad finishes him. It's going to be a complete embarrassment and the amount of thrashing Haye is going to receive from boxing fans will be astounding. He better make sure to deactivate his twitter account come July 2nd.
     
  7. Monstar

    Monstar The Future.. Full Member

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    i didn't mention "power" for either one since they both have it. i said "power in both hands"....Haye can put you away with either hand, Wlad can't.
     
  8. Overhill

    Overhill Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Good post.
     
  9. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    i bet this acting strange theory will get tied to some creative excuse. i cant say i would be dissapointed if haye wins. it would at least create some anticipation for the future amongst the heavies. if wlad gets past haye, whats left for him and the division or the fans?
     
  10. taobum70

    taobum70 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Watch Wlad vs. Brock and Austin and then tell me he can't put away someone with either hand?
     
  11. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    The majority(the ******s) pick Wladimir based on Haye canceling the first fight so he must be "scared", very few pick Wladimir because of his style.
     
  12. taobum70

    taobum70 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Weird post. Haye could overpower everyone at CW, despite often fighting sloppy. If he had a high ring IQ, smaller, less talented fighters shouldn't even be competitive with Haye, but they were. Where did Haye ever need a high ring IQ? He looked overexcited against Barrett and won because of his athletic ability. He was super cautious against Valuev, showed superior athletic ability and good power against Ruiz but didn't need high ring IQ there either. Harrison? Threw one jab in three rounds, how much skill do you need to beat a fighter like that?

    You want to use Ibragimov, Chagaev and Chambers as examples of fighters landing shots on Wlad????? Two belt holders and one mandatory with one or two losses combined (can't remember Iggy's record) who would beat anyone on Haye's record and they barely touched Wlad, winning perhaps one round combined - and that is your argument AGAINST Wlad?
     
  13. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    Because he is taking a huge step up in Class and he has an awful Glass Jaw? Not to mention his suspect stamina? Haye has not demonstrated one punch KO power at Heavyweight. And his opponents have averaged almost 38 years old at Heavyweight.
     
  14. Ceej1979

    Ceej1979 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm not one of these people.

    American sites, and fans tend to talk Haye down as he's loud, and annoying. But you know, sort of like Mayweather, he's a lot easier to beat up in the media, than he is in a boxing ring.

    If Haye's truly a coward, who plays it safe, then he must be pretty damn sure how overrated Wlad is.

    You know, you think Haye's the type of guy who's going to go into a bout he has no chance in.

    Truth is, Haye's very fast, very slick, pretty hard to hit cleanly, and is probably the biggest puncher in all of boxing.

    I think he'll be quite confident that the moment he lands a big shot, Wlad will be in trouble

    A great jab is no good, if you're seeing double
     
  15. UndisputedUK

    UndisputedUK Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He's vulnerable, poor punch resistance.
    He struggled to get a dominant win against Valuev, why would he do better against Wlad?

    He took a while to beat Ruiz and Barrett. Why expect a quick win against Wlad?

    His power is overated, especially when someone is going to be hitting back.

    The people who beat Wlad are usually big punchers and are durable. Wlad has changed since then.

    Really after all the hype, I don't know how he will be able to show his face in the UK afterwards.

    I really think Haye will be shocked when he is hit by a Klitschko jab let alone a right hand. After all the insults, Wlad is probably going to jab him to bits, beat him up and make him pay. Hurt him and then stop him.

    Prediction:- Wlad jabs, grabs, Haye runs and tries to pot shot. Haye tires and gets caught. If Haye's brave he gets busted up, if he's clever he goes down from a jab and stays down. :good