Haye Knows What It Takes To Beat Wladimir - But Can He Execuete It?

PetethePrince · May 12, 2011

"I know why he has been successful. I watched his best fights, I've seen how his opponents have attacked him. How they stand off him. He's a comfort fighter, he likes to feel comfortable in there. When opponents get close to him his instincts isn't to hold his feet and punch, it's just to hold. Don't hit me, and grab hold of you. It's all about tactics. I'll do whatever I have to do, I'm going to put Wladimir Klitschko in his uncomfort zone as quickly as possible. He doesn't like to fight, he likes to box. Likes to box long and keep it in his control. That's why he does, he's made a career of that. I'm not going to allow him to do that to me."

David Haye

Haye understands Wlad's mindset and mentality. Wlad himself has admitted even in a recent interview in London that he's not like his brother. He's not a natural fighter or tough guy. He likes to control the match, control all the variables and then finish you off when everything is already predicated in his complete control/favor. Wlad thinks boxing is predictable, that boxing isn't Russian roulette, and to a large extent he is correct. Freddie Roach said that there's no such thing as luck in boxing (I'm paraphrasing). Haye needs to unload the entire chamber on Wlad, he can't rely on a bullet being left in the chamber and getting lucky... he needs to attack.

The reason this is good news is many Haye critics and fans were worried that Haye would fight the way he did versus Valuev. He does seem to understand that fights are all about tactics, he explains this in the Sky Sport interview of which the quote I posted derives from. Haye admits anyone can knock either man out if that's what is allowed of them. My concern as a Haye fan is that he doesn't seem to be comfortable himself in leading, which is something you have to do against Wlad or he will pick you apart. Haye seems to understand that... so he's going to have to take risks early. In which case, that gives himself a chance of getting knocked out by taking chances. He understands this, but he also knows the mindset/mentality of Wlad and the necessary strategy to do the job. Hopefully, he doesn't shy away too much knowing that threat exists.

My opinions on the fight hasn't changed whatsoever, but it's good to here that Haye's intent is to try and make this fight a "brawl." Obviously from our and Haye's perspective it's a lot easier to see these weaknesses from the outside and then try to exploit them when you're in the ring facing a super heavyweight with an ATG jab and legitimate power. The question is, though, can he implement this plan? Can he win an ugly brawl that sets Wlad completely out of his gameplan from the gecko? What do people think of this quote from Haye?

Shmoopy · May 12, 2011

no, but this guy will step in and do it for him!! :yep

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUzok0VS2j0[/ame]

after the "pulled muscle" Waldo will get shortly to pull out! :hey

jo1hn · May 12, 2011

nothing special about haye he is one of worst heavyweight to hold a belt mainly this dude has not fought any one and except jumping the gun and fight for titles thats why he got stopped last when he fought at the cruiserweight level. With all this hyping bull**** haye does he is gonna do the same bull**** he did the last time run around the ring and wait another boring garbage . But the British fans buy into his bull****. The best fight out there to see will carl froch vs glen johnson and Andre ward vs Arthur Abraham

cesare-borgia · May 12, 2011

the opening round will answer this, can haye get by the jab? if he cant he is in trouble

Ai-edy2007 · May 12, 2011

david haye will win for sure.

jdroy1986 · May 12, 2011

PetethePrince said: ↑

"I know why he has been successful. I watched his best fights, I've seen how his opponents have attacked him. How they stand off him. He's a comfort fighter, he likes to feel comfortable in there. When opponents get close to him his instincts isn't to hold his feet and punch, it's just to hold. Don't hit me, and grab hold of you. It's all about tactics. I'll do whatever I have to do, I'm going to put Wladimir Klitschko in his uncomfort zone as quickly as possible. He doesn't like to fight, he likes to box. Likes to box long and keep it in his control. That's why he does, he's made a career of that. I'm not going to allow him to do that to me."

David Haye

Haye understands Wlad's mindset and mentality. Wlad himself has admitted even in a recent interview in London that he's not like his brother. He's not a natural fighter or tough guy. He likes to control the match, control all the variables and then finish you off when everything is already predicated in his complete control/favor. Wlad thinks boxing is predictable, that boxing isn't Russian roulette, and to a large extent he is correct. Freddie Roach said that there's no such thing as luck in boxing (I'm paraphrasing). Haye needs to unload the entire chamber on Wlad, he can't rely on a bullet being left in the chamber and getting lucky... he needs to attack.

The reason this is good news is many Haye critics and fans were worried that Haye would fight the way he did versus Valuev. He does seem to understand that fights are all about tactics, he explains this in the Sky Sport interview of which the quote I posted derives from. Haye admits anyone can knock either man out if that's what is allowed of them. My concern as a Haye fan is that he doesn't seem to be comfortable himself in leading, which is something you have to do against Wlad or he will pick you apart. Haye seems to understand that... so he's going to have to take risks early. In which case, that gives himself a chance of getting knocked out by taking chances. He understands this, but he also knows the mindset/mentality of Wlad and the necessary strategy to do the job. Hopefully, he doesn't shy away too much knowing that threat exists.

My opinions on the fight hasn't changed whatsoever, but it's good to here that Haye's intent is to try and make this fight a "brawl." Obviously from our and Haye's perspective it's a lot easier to see these weaknesses from the outside and then try to exploit them when you're in the ring facing a super heavyweight with an ATG jab and legitimate power. The question is, though, can he implement this plan? Can he win an ugly brawl that sets Wlad completely out of his gameplan from the gecko? What do people think of this quote from Haye?
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Well look at Wlad's last fight against the Peter rematch. Peter came in aggressive and with head movement. He still got hit very often and eventually it was Peter holding a lot, not Wlad. "Everyone has a plan until they get hit"..............well Haye will have everything planned until he gets hit really hard with Wlad's ridiculous jab.

rorik_bender · May 12, 2011

PetethePrince said: ↑

"I know why he has been successful. I watched his best fights, I've seen how his opponents have attacked him. How they stand off him. He's a comfort fighter, he likes to feel comfortable in there. When opponents get close to him his instincts isn't to hold his feet and punch, it's just to hold. Don't hit me, and grab hold of you. It's all about tactics. I'll do whatever I have to do, I'm going to put Wladimir Klitschko in his uncomfort zone as quickly as possible. He doesn't like to fight, he likes to box. Likes to box long and keep it in his control. That's why he does, he's made a career of that. I'm not going to allow him to do that to me."

David Haye

Haye understands Wlad's mindset and mentality. Wlad himself has admitted even in a recent interview in London that he's not like his brother. He's not a natural fighter or tough guy. He likes to control the match, control all the variables and then finish you off when everything is already predicated in his complete control/favor. Wlad thinks boxing is predictable, that boxing isn't Russian roulette, and to a large extent he is correct. Freddie Roach said that there's no such thing as luck in boxing (I'm paraphrasing). Haye needs to unload the entire chamber on Wlad, he can't rely on a bullet being left in the chamber and getting lucky... he needs to attack.

The reason this is good news is many Haye critics and fans were worried that Haye would fight the way he did versus Valuev. He does seem to understand that fights are all about tactics, he explains this in the Sky Sport interview of which the quote I posted derives from. Haye admits anyone can knock either man out if that's what is allowed of them. My concern as a Haye fan is that he doesn't seem to be comfortable himself in leading, which is something you have to do against Wlad or he will pick you apart. Haye seems to understand that... so he's going to have to take risks early. In which case, that gives himself a chance of getting knocked out by taking chances. He understands this, but he also knows the mindset/mentality of Wlad and the necessary strategy to do the job. Hopefully, he doesn't shy away too much knowing that threat exists.

My opinions on the fight hasn't changed whatsoever, but it's good to here that Haye's intent is to try and make this fight a "brawl." Obviously from our and Haye's perspective it's a lot easier to see these weaknesses from the outside and then try to exploit them when you're in the ring facing a super heavyweight with an ATG jab and legitimate power. The question is, though, can he implement this plan? Can he win an ugly brawl that sets Wlad completely out of his gameplan from the gecko? What do people think of this quote from Haye?
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Many tried, but actually only Sanders succeed. As a heavyweight Haye is nowhere near Sanders.

Raybans · May 12, 2011

PetethePrince said: ↑

"I know why he has been successful. I watched his best fights, I've seen how his opponents have attacked him. How they stand off him. He's a comfort fighter, he likes to feel comfortable in there. When opponents get close to him his instincts isn't to hold his feet and punch, it's just to hold. Don't hit me, and grab hold of you. It's all about tactics. I'll do whatever I have to do, I'm going to put Wladimir Klitschko in his uncomfort zone as quickly as possible. He doesn't like to fight, he likes to box. Likes to box long and keep it in his control. That's why he does, he's made a career of that. I'm not going to allow him to do that to me."

David Haye

Haye understands Wlad's mindset and mentality. Wlad himself has admitted even in a recent interview in London that he's not like his brother. He's not a natural fighter or tough guy. He likes to control the match, control all the variables and then finish you off when everything is already predicated in his complete control/favor. Wlad thinks boxing is predictable, that boxing isn't Russian roulette, and to a large extent he is correct. Freddie Roach said that there's no such thing as luck in boxing (I'm paraphrasing). Haye needs to unload the entire chamber on Wlad, he can't rely on a bullet being left in the chamber and getting lucky... he needs to attack.

The reason this is good news is many Haye critics and fans were worried that Haye would fight the way he did versus Valuev. He does seem to understand that fights are all about tactics, he explains this in the Sky Sport interview of which the quote I posted derives from. Haye admits anyone can knock either man out if that's what is allowed of them. My concern as a Haye fan is that he doesn't seem to be comfortable himself in leading, which is something you have to do against Wlad or he will pick you apart. Haye seems to understand that... so he's going to have to take risks early. In which case, that gives himself a chance of getting knocked out by taking chances. He understands this, but he also knows the mindset/mentality of Wlad and the necessary strategy to do the job. Hopefully, he doesn't shy away too much knowing that threat exists.

My opinions on the fight hasn't changed whatsoever, but it's good to here that Haye's intent is to try and make this fight a "brawl." Obviously from our and Haye's perspective it's a lot easier to see these weaknesses from the outside and then try to exploit them when you're in the ring facing a super heavyweight with an ATG jab and legitimate power. The question is, though, can he implement this plan? Can he win an ugly brawl that sets Wlad completely out of his gameplan from the gecko? What do people think of this quote from Haye?
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I think this hits the nail on the head. I agree Haye knows exactly what he has to do to give himself the best chance possible and I think he truely believes he will do it. That also involves him changing his tactics to fit the opponent which he will do.

Whether he can pull it off is another matter. The odds are definately in favour of a Klitschko win by KO/TKO but I give Haye a better chance than most people; at 35-40% of pulling it off. He's not stupid, he knows what he's got to do and he got the speed and power to give Klitschko hell early in the fight.

Hope he pulls it off.

theboy_racer · May 12, 2011

He will pull it off, he's gonna have a lot of people eating humble pie.

itsa huge bitch · May 13, 2011

haye seems to know what hes talking about...but is he that disrespectful that he thinks wlads other opponents never thought about this??as johnny nelson pointed out to him people all say the same thing before they get in the ring but when they come back out they all say the same thing and that is the old phrase of its different when ur actually fighting him...haye thinks of himself a master tactician...was sultan not or chaggy they came from the eastern bloc aswell yet they cudnt suss him out i dont give a **** wat u guys say byrd was faster than haye and he had no clue wat to do..if this is hayes game plan he needs to review it as it will get him his arse whipped

Hellion · May 13, 2011

PetethePrince said: ↑

"I know why he has been successful. I watched his best fights, I've seen how his opponents have attacked him. How they stand off him. He's a comfort fighter, he likes to feel comfortable in there. When opponents get close to him his instincts isn't to hold his feet and punch, it's just to hold. Don't hit me, and grab hold of you. It's all about tactics. I'll do whatever I have to do, I'm going to put Wladimir Klitschko in his uncomfort zone as quickly as possible. He doesn't like to fight, he likes to box. Likes to box long and keep it in his control. That's why he does, he's made a career of that. I'm not going to allow him to do that to me."

David Haye

Haye understands Wlad's mindset and mentality. Wlad himself has admitted even in a recent interview in London that he's not like his brother. He's not a natural fighter or tough guy. He likes to control the match, control all the variables and then finish you off when everything is already predicated in his complete control/favor. Wlad thinks boxing is predictable, that boxing isn't Russian roulette, and to a large extent he is correct. Freddie Roach said that there's no such thing as luck in boxing (I'm paraphrasing). Haye needs to unload the entire chamber on Wlad, he can't rely on a bullet being left in the chamber and getting lucky... he needs to attack.

The reason this is good news is many Haye critics and fans were worried that Haye would fight the way he did versus Valuev. He does seem to understand that fights are all about tactics, he explains this in the Sky Sport interview of which the quote I posted derives from. Haye admits anyone can knock either man out if that's what is allowed of them. My concern as a Haye fan is that he doesn't seem to be comfortable himself in leading, which is something you have to do against Wlad or he will pick you apart. Haye seems to understand that... so he's going to have to take risks early. In which case, that gives himself a chance of getting knocked out by taking chances. He understands this, but he also knows the mindset/mentality of Wlad and the necessary strategy to do the job. Hopefully, he doesn't shy away too much knowing that threat exists.

My opinions on the fight hasn't changed whatsoever, but it's good to here that Haye's intent is to try and make this fight a "brawl." Obviously from our and Haye's perspective it's a lot easier to see these weaknesses from the outside and then try to exploit them when you're in the ring facing a super heavyweight with an ATG jab and legitimate power. The question is, though, can he implement this plan? Can he win an ugly brawl that sets Wlad completely out of his gameplan from the gecko? What do people think of this quote from Haye?
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Good analysis here. And I think you've hit the nail on the head to a degree, though I'm not overly sure about the brawl part. Haye does have to unsettle Wlad, maybe to a degree where Wlad is unsure to throw his jab in fear of a counter right from Haye. I've noticed in recent Wlad fights from the second round on he's been using a sneaky, fast straight fight as well. If Haye can get him out of his comfort zone to a point where he's tentative then he'll have his shot. If he can't then he'll have to hope for an out of nowhere punch to land.
On a side not I rewatched Haye - Valuev yesterday and was struck by how breathless Haye was - for a good time - following the final bell, really panting. Just reaffirms for me that Haye'll have to strike relatively early or his chances are going to fall to near zero.

rainmaker · May 13, 2011

jdroy1986 said: ↑

Well look at Wlad's last fight against the Peter rematch. Peter came in aggressive and with head movement. He still got hit very often and eventually it was Peter holding a lot, not Wlad. "Everyone has a plan until they get hit"..............well Haye will have everything planned until he gets hit really hard with Wlad's ridiculous jab.
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Peter is a very good example of someone who knows what to do, but is far too slow, too ponderous with heavy feet, he cannot get in and out quick enough. But he still had enough in the first fight to stun Wlad. Haye will bring a lot more speed and movement. Granted though if Wlad's timing is good, he can still catch and hurt Haye. A difficult task, but not impossible. Haye will pose a different set of problems to what previous opponents have been providing him with.

rainmaker · May 13, 2011

You know what is possibly a decent blueprint here, when Pascal fought Dawson, who like Wlad is pretty one paced and methodical as a fighter. Pascal neutralized a lot of his game by using his feet, getting in with fast aggressive bursts, doing some damage and getting away. Haye like Pascal has good athleticism and good speed. So perhaps something similar there? not to stay in the pocket and trade, but not to stay at range either, but to come in fast, and hard, fire off 2 or 3 big shots, then get away.

I know Haye likes to counter punch, but could this be Haye's way to win here? If he can execute such a game plan.

dave-slave · May 13, 2011

They all say they know how to beat Wlad, then they get knocked out.:deal

DDDUUDDDEE · May 13, 2011

rainmaker said: ↑

You know what is possibly a decent blueprint here, when Pascal fought Dawson, who like Wlad is pretty one paced and methodical as a fighter. Pascal neutralized a lot of his game by using his feet, getting in with fast aggressive bursts, doing some damage and getting away. Haye like Pascal has good athleticism and good speed. So perhaps something similar there? not to stay in the pocket and trade, but not to stay at range either, but to come in fast, and hard, fire off 2 or 3 big shots, then get away.

I know Haye likes to counter punch, but could this be Haye's way to win here? If he can execute such a game plan.
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This is what I think Haye is going to attempt to do.

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