1. You have to understand, Jake Lamotta LOVED Rocky Marciano..is fellow italian paisano. 2. Jake Lamotta was complete BAD-ASS. I love this interview. 3. YOUR MOTHER SUCKS BIG ELEPHANT DICKS! LOL
Tyson has elements of many fighters, Floyd Patterson (peekaboo), Henry Armstrong (that overhand right and the way he gets it in), Dempsey, Cus De Amato's techniques generally. He does things those fighters don't do, his jab, his uppercuts, his short punches, his combinations, his recoil, his step over. And ofcourse add his own pure aggression
I agree that Tyson is much more like Patterson than anyone else but i dont see many similarities with Dempsey other than later in Tysons career when he became much more crude and less about technique.
hmm, I see your point. My only convinction on this point was that he is more Dempsey than he is Marciano imo, that's not to say that he is like Dempsey a lot though, I just don;t think he is really like Marciano too much at all. But I could watch some more Dempsey and Tyson today I suppose and reassess.
I think Dempsey is vastly different to all the various successful short-armed pressure sluggers, (eg. Tyson, Frazier, Marciano). He had a completely different build and different movement. [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFxcNfXMA60[/ame] [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9Af2Brx8VI&feature=related[/ame] [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoboUe7RWLE&feature=related[/ame]
I think when watching a prime Tyson the only similarities to Marciano , Dempsey and Frazier are not worth mentioning and closing down space using pressure is the only real one. A 96 Tyson to me has more similarities with Dempsey than the other two with his crudeness and desire to try and finish the fight with a big punch , where as i see Marciano and Frazier as breaking down opponents over time.
I think Marciano was a bigger one punch knockout artist than Dempsey, especially the pre 1954 version. Dempsey usually needed tons of knockdowns and hundreds of punches to end fights, while the pre 1954 marciano needed only 1-2 shots usually. Though Dempsey was a much faster starter than Marciano.
yeah, I mean, for me Mraciano and Frazier are swarmers. Dempsey did swarm as well but he would also stand off and explode with shots, and use head movement as a countering tool from distance to close the gap with a shot, they're the only real comparisons I draw with him and Tyson. Whereas Frazier and Marciano are constantly looking to be on your chest or pushing you back with their actual bodies, I don't consider Tyson a swarmer like them. But yeah, the later version of Tyson from 96 with less head movement combining with combos was more like Dempsey than the earlier 80's version, I agree.
Yeah he was very good at rolling with the shots, but he took a flush beating in the last stages of Robinson IV. Jake LaMotta = toughest SOB ever
The differences between Dempsey, Marciano, Frazier and Tyson as come-forward fighters are tremendous. For the fact they were come-forward fighters and 3 of them were relatively short seems to give everyone a pass to incessantly huddle them together, making for especially vague observations.