Haye Knows What It Takes To Beat Wladimir - But Can He Execuete It?

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  1. taobum70

    taobum70 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I know exactly what it takes to beat Wlad. So what? Haye is going to face the best jab, the best control of range, by far the most power, the best ring experience at the top level, the best natural athlete he has ever faced. Could he still win? Sure, but that would require an extraordinary mental strength, I doubt Haye possesses that.
     
  2. Tully

    Tully Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Hayes plan = An adaptation of the plan he used against valuev just at a higher tempo, in and out 2/3 shots at a time, circle to vlads right and pot shot him. Generally lots of lateral movement.

    Either that or he goes full ****** in round one and sees what happens. (not recommended)
     
  3. rainmaker

    rainmaker Boxing Addict Full Member

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    But then, you can turn it around, Haye is most likely no wait I will say HE IS the best athelete that Wlad has ever faced too. So you see, unlike other Wlad opponents haye is well placed to know what to do, and have the tools in order to win. Not saying he wins, but he's got a great chance if he fights the perfect fight.

    Wlad may need to fight, the fight of his life too. Remember, these are 2 guys who are very dangerous in their own way, neither can afford to underestimate the other. Deep down their is a mutual respect for each other's boxing ability. I think Haye is setting himself up to put out the best version of the Hayemaker we have seen. Doing your homework and devising a game plan is the smart thing to do. Then working on a plan B, and then homing it in, work on that like crazy.

    Dearth Booth the dark lord will channel all his energy for this one and concoct the perfect game plan.
     
  4. rainmaker

    rainmaker Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Or rather not sees what happens, until the ref whisper's to him, son, you just ate canvas, and it wasn't pretty. :D
     
  5. madballster

    madballster Loyal Member Full Member

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    Haye will likely box like he did the first round with Audley. Circling around and not throwing a single punch. I hope Booth then screams at him to open up and take some risks to get closer to Wlad.
     
  6. Flexe

    Flexe Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The outcome of this fight is simple.

    Haye either wins inside 6 rounds, or ends knocked out late.

    Look, Haye doesn't have the stamina of Wlad, he isn't made for going the 12 rounds. If Haye doesn't have Wlad out of there early his chances are becoming slimmer as the clock ticks.

    Wlad begins to get comfortable and in a rhythm when the fight enters the latter half. You think Haye can dodge that jab for the full 12 rounds? Fatigue will kick in, and this is when Haye begins to get hit with that stiff jab. If Wlad jab pumps out with authority early, then It could be an early night.

    Haye needs to take him out early, it's that simple.
     
  7. rainmaker

    rainmaker Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Nonsense about the stamina issue, you don't get it. Haye trains to be able to fight with aggressive bursts, to have the same power in the first round, or up in the 12th round. Note, almost taking out Valuev late, stopping Ruiz with hard shots in the latter rounds.

    Of course if Haye is taking a steady beatdown for 12 rounds, of course he'll be in no state to fight back. But if Haye is smart he could well get Wlad late as well as early. It all depends, provided he's not taking punishment.

    It's like this, you can either run 5 miles a day, or do multiple sprints over a shorter distance to build explosiveness and increase recovery in a short space of time. Haye tends to do more explosive work, with minimal rest periods. It's a different approach in boxing but it's catching on. You keep your power deeper into the fight. Sadly for Haye he doesn't have a great chin so the margin of error is small, but he can potentially be a threat right the way through the fight.
     
  8. shane2002uk

    shane2002uk New Member Full Member

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    "I know why he has been successful. I watched his best fights, I've seen how his opponents have attacked him. How they stand off him. He's a comfort fighter, he likes to feel comfortable in there. When opponents get close to him his instincts isn't to hold his feet and punch, it's just to hold. Don't hit me, and grab hold of you. It's all about tactics. I'll do whatever I have to do, I'm going to put Wladimir Klitschko in his uncomfort zone as quickly as possible. He doesn't like to fight, he likes to box. Likes to box long and keep it in his control. That's why he does, he's made a career of that. I'm not going to allow him to do that to me."

    This quote here sums up why Wlad maybe in trouble in July.Despite the obvious physical attributes Haye holds over almost every single Wlad opponent, it is his spot on analysis and comments that Haye makes inbetreen the brash bravado talk that stands out to me.

    Yeah he rubs up many people the wrong way, but when it comes down to general boxing talk, it is his understanding of the game (a lot like Hopkins and Ward) that feels me with more confidence in Haye.

    Just cannot wait for this bout to take place!
     
  9. iceman71

    iceman71 WBC SILVER Champion Full Member

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    well theres about 500 other things hes said that started 3 years ago, what he was gonna do to wlad, then vitali, then wlad...then wlad..then vitali
    lets wait until at least a week away from fight night ....because haye hasnt even had what it takes to get NEAR a boxing ring with them in it
     
  10. dvb

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    Haye admited neither ones chin is good,and he pretty much said he doesnt expect to be able to takes wlads heavy long punches,he doesnt aim to allow wlad to land anything!.

    others new what to do,but they didnt have the skills and athleticism to pull it off.

    They didnt have the mindset Haye has either.

    Haye will have the perfect sparring/opponents to get used to wlads reach,his range and distance,his speed,his tactics of hold/lean.

    Haye will have a good game plan and he has the tools to execute.

    He has the movement and footspeed to negate wlads jab and right hand,he will move forward and close distance quicker than wlad has had done to him before,but haye wont move in straight lines back or forth,he will move side to side from angles,he will move away from the right hand and be at the side of wlad stopping the jab,pushing wlad and stopping him coming forward by pressure and tactical movement.

    Haye can have wlad turning and move more than he wants to,stopping him setting his feet to land,stopping him getting full range on his straight punches,make wlad not land anything,make wlad move and chase if he wanted to aswell,wlad would waste energy trying to close down,haye will move,then time and duck under punches and counter before wlad even knows about it.

    Haye can be out of range or away from danger,then buzz in quickly drop some 2-3 combinations and then move away again,repeating this till wlad is hurt and there for taking out.

    He didnt push and press valuev,cuz valuev for one is much bigger and heavier,and 2 valuev is much stronger and has an iron inhuman chin with a rock hard skull.

    Haye will be busier,land easier,hurt wlad several times and stop him mid fight.
     
  11. dave-slave

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    EVERY Wlad opponent says the EXACT same thing.


    it may as well be "blah, blah, blah..........................."
     
  12. dave-slave

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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxWNFBsng1U&NR=1[/ame]

    Haye will be end up like these guys!
     
  13. madballster

    madballster Loyal Member Full Member

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    Haye executes well when people are shorter than him and have to chase him and get close to him. Haye can stand in the distance and set up his counters.

    With Wlad that won't work. Haye himself has to get close if he wants to get within range.

    Watch the Audley fight how uncomfortable Haye felt trying to bridge the distance. He's not used to getting close to an opponent and he clearly doesn't like it.
     
  14. rainmaker

    rainmaker Boxing Addict Full Member

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    yes but then every wlad opponent is either slow, fat, lack ring IQ or a combination of all these.

    Haye atleast brings a lot more to the table.
     
  15. rorik_bender

    rorik_bender Bellhop. Full Member

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    Haye was wide open for Valuev to punish him countless times. Valuev was too slow to execute it. Hayetards logics is that Wlad is as slow as Valuev.
    UNFATHOMABLE.