Haye is not even a real champion. He did not beat Valuev.

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by jacklondon, May 13, 2011.


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  1. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    does it even matter who "won" that fight? Wlad already beat Chagaev who beat both Valuev and Ruiz and never lost the belt in the ring.
     
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  2. lzolnier

    lzolnier Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Another page I have to turn and see your ugly ass avatar.
     
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  3. shaunster101

    shaunster101 Yido Full Member

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    Yes, I have an ugly man in my avatar. Good spot.
     
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  4. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He beat Valuev on my card but Niko boy was a paper titlist. Wlad beat the real WBA champ for the Lineal Title when Haye pulled out.
     
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  5. lzolnier

    lzolnier Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Now I get it - you like reminding people that your nauseous so the avi goes well with your posts.
     
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  6. SportsLeader

    SportsLeader Chilling Full Member

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    Huh? Shaunster is a good poster. What are you talking about?
     
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  7. shaunster101

    shaunster101 Yido Full Member

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    :lol:

    Oh - you cut me deep!

    You decided you wanted to insult me, and with the entire English language at your disposal that was the best you could come up with?

    0.5/10 - must try harder.
     
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  8. Kalasinn

    Kalasinn ♧ OG Kally ♤ Full Member

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    I scored it 120-108 SNV :rasta
     
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  9. jacklondon

    jacklondon Guest

    This is an excellent response from another boxing forum, so I'm re-posting it here:






    Yes, Haye's championship is disputed at best. But a better argument exists with regard to Ruslan Chagaev- Nikolay Valuev rematch.

    Ruslan Chagaev beat Nikolay Valuev in 2007 for the WBA Title, then Chagaev made a successful defence against Skelton. At this point, Ruslan Chagaev was WBA Champion.

    In 2009, Chagaev was ordered to defend his WBA title against his madatory #1 contender, Nikolay Valuev. This rematch was ordered by the WBA because Valuev had become the madatory challenger.

    Chagaev failed a medical test before the fight, showing Hepatits B in his bloodstream. Chagaev was then (perhaps wrongly) stripped of his WBA title and Valuev was declared WBA champion.

    Of course, Valuev then went on to lose the belt in the ring to David Haye by decision. Interestingly, Chagaev went on to get KO'd by Wladimir Klitschko. Thus, 2 points can be made:

    - Haye is only a "champion" because the WBA wrongly and incorrectly stripped Chagaev for failing a medical test and awarding the belt to Valuev. In this way Haye is something a paper champion.

    - The Lineal WBA champion is in fact Wladimir Klitschko, because he beat Chagaev, and Chagaev never lost the belt in the ring to Valuev.


    - BoxingFanUK
     
    jacklondon, May 13, 2011
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  10. lzolnier

    lzolnier Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Granted, there's no finer poster from the UK. At least he sometimes makes an attempt at impartiality, regarding Haye. His avi just kills it for me though. It's neither funny nor relevant to anyone here.
     
    lzolnier, May 13, 2011
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  11. Bazooka

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    The only way you can really argue this is not based on the Judges decision because Haye did win that fight, But you should argue that Holyfield was robbed against Valuev.... and that Valuev should not have had that title to defend.
     
    Bazooka, May 13, 2011
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  12. FutureChampGG

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    Now you're just being silly
     
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  13. jacklondon

    jacklondon Guest


    Brilliant critique, huh? Like I said, that's all you get, vague generalities and childish name calling. What I'd like to see is any one of them dispute any particular round of scoring, but that is something they cannot do because my scoring was accurate and honest, and as I said I was giving Haye the benefit of every doubt.
     
    jacklondon, May 13, 2011
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  14. shaunster101

    shaunster101 Yido Full Member

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    Another fine insult, this time a generalistion of an entire nation.

    :happy You're on fine form today. Keep them coming
     
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  15. Maximus

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    The Brit announcers scored it based on how they thought the judges would score it AND they said that at the time, ie favouring Valuev as the home fighter in close rounds and favouring him for being the 'aggressor' even though he was punching air. We should all celebrate the rare occasion that a fight on German soil was scored accurately, but some people just want yet another chance to slag off Haye.
     
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