Mayweather Jr praises Filipinos' love for Pacquiao, criticizes "Black America"

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  1. bald_head_slick

    bald_head_slick Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    True, but his buzz grew exponentially as his post fight antics became increasingly antagonistic. Unfortunately his rise was hit by the Tyson era.

    I think America has a very perverse racial dynamic that hurts both Whites and Minorities. The White dynamic is to never accept the minority as one of you unless he completely conforms and NEVER reminds you of injustices perpetrated against him. The Minority dynamic is to NEVER embrace similarities and act like the White majority has never done anything fair and/or decent. It results in a perverse situation where people who have everything and nothing in common at the same time.
     
  2. Houseof7GB

    Houseof7GB Active Member Full Member

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    It has nothing to do with one's racial or ethnic allegiance but everything to do with one's level of confidence and security in a given human endeavor or enterprise...a white man in modern day america should have no qualms voting for Obama or voting for other blk politicians running against white politicos because most are sufficiently confident in their past and current standings in the realm of politics thereby allowing them to excercise such enlightened decision making process...only a few hardcore racists who, for some experience in the past that made 'em insecure about their relation with blk folks, would still pine for the good ol days of jim crowe, unable still to let go of hatred from perverting their civic decision making process...the latter group is akin to blk esb posters and fans who for purely racist motivation letting hatred and insecurity direct their position in the pac/floyd debate, some so contorted in their logic but so passionate in their feelings against a reality too harsh to contemplate, let alone accept; much like OJ who deluded himself into believing there is another killa on the loose because the reality of his having slit his children's mommy's throat is too damning to remember, for folks who support floyd on purely racial allegiance...perhaps the reality of a little pinoy from an unlikely foreign land, and not a slick hip hopsters, that that man is perhaps the greatest fighter of our era...surely, if floyd were to have his ways, surely you can't ask
    blk folks to accept that!

    But times have changed floyd...get with the program bro...
     
  3. tarugojones

    tarugojones Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That's why I don't watch FIX NEWS.
     
  4. bald_head_slick

    bald_head_slick Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Unfortunately far too many White Americans do! :emma
     
  5. ImElvis666

    ImElvis666 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    We all know it's true whether some admit it or not.
     
  6. bald_head_slick

    bald_head_slick Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This is a bunch of intelligent sounding ignorance.

    Supporting FMJ has nothing to do with race. If you want to fight him? Take the tests. If you don't want to fight him? Don't take the tests. Stop saying you WANT to fight him but WON'T take the tests. The two can't exist in the same sphere or thought.

    This ignorant line of logic is like saying you WANT to go into an establishment but WON'T follow the dress code. You don't really want to go in now do you?
     
  7. ImElvis666

    ImElvis666 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That's a very interesting observation.
     
  8. Rexrapper 1

    Rexrapper 1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I def get what he is saying. Its not only blacks though, it America period. You look at other countries like the Philippines, Mexico, UK, etc. They support their fighters win, lose, or draw.
     
  9. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Thanks, and I agree with you: It's not necessarily easy being a "good guy" black athlete in America, if you want to move product. That's why I said it might not be fair, for Floyd. I do accept that.

    Still, it can be done. The problem for Floyd is that his fighting style isn't exciting. So, he has to work with a different marketing strategy. I get that, and don't begrudge him for it. But there are drawbacks in a society that is around 15%+ black vs 85% non-black.

    If the reverse demographic realities were the case, Floyd may not have any issues whatsoever. I totally concede that point. And, in that sense, it's "not fair" for Floyd's marketing potential.

    Still, you have to work with what you have. And it can be done. Foreman did it (though his power-boxing style was more pleasing to fans). Others have done it, and do it still.

    Floyd is not a dumb guy, in terms of instincts. Yeah, he may not be Mr Ivy League or whatever, but you dont have to be in order to move product. He knows what he's done and what he's doing. And what he could do differently.

    The key to overcome tribalism ("our guys" vs "their guys") is to be inclusive. Look at Michael Jackson, or Magic Johnson. Or look at what happened to Barry Bonds, who I think got jerked over big-time. If you want to get a certain outcome, or maximize your marketing potential in a society with America's history and demographics, you have to do it a certain way, I think. Floyd apparently tried that early in his career, then he went 180 degrees the other way. And that has effects, even if they aren't fair ones.

    The good thing, for Floyd, is that he can still change this. If he wants to.

    Obama? That's a whole different thing. I definitely know what you mean, and you're right. But there's more to that story, IMO. But I'm not going to get into that here. Suffice to say, Obama's team uses methods -- IMO -- that lend towards polarization. I think it's just an offshoot of how politics is done in Chicago.
     
  10. paulfv

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    I just wanted to say that I think this is an excellent point. I didn't mention that before. A sad point, but one that I think has a lot of merit.

    And so, of course, then it makes sense oftentimes for black athletes to go the "villain" route.

    This isn't always the case, but I do think it can often be the case, particularly under certain circumstances (tension in society, bad economy, etc -- basically the Obama "bitter clingers" comment and scenario).

    Because of this, how this plays out, I think blacks naturally rally to these figures. Which is why the marketing works. Think of Kobe. Or how blacks responded with OJ, or Barry Bonds. The feeling being "hey, this guy is being persecuted unfairly and I can relate to that and don't like it," as well as "hey, I like that this guy isn't taking any junk from The Man or The Society."

    I get that; that makes sense. And it's real for people.
     
  11. Houseof7GB

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    For a cynical fellow who purports to understand the nuance of race relation and racism in Americana, then and now, you should have enough intelligence to see right through the contrivance of the mayweathers' accusation and antics...don't use your effort to do to others what you have correctly pointed out others have done to us in the past...
     
  12. puga_ni_nana

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    as for any consolation, floyd could check his hardcore fans here in ESB or any other boxing forums and he would be proud to see these guys defending hin to death and are even making numerous alts.
     
  13. dahoe

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    Floyd need to man up and a quit being a whiny *****
     
  14. Lance_Uppercut

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    When you aren't posting about Floyd, you aren't bad at all. :D
    :thumbsup
     
  15. bald_head_slick

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    At the end of the day that is what is about, moving product. America is just not interested in the "Average Black guy just like me". That guy is always the American running joke, Carlton, Braxton, Urkel, etc... AMERICA wants Tyson, 50 Cent and Ice Cube.

    Maybe, but to be given that stage he had to become "that guy". A fighter can't be what he is not.

    Again, I agree on both points. Foreman "crossed over" into the older generation where people are older and wiser. Honestly, I don't see many of these "Black nice guys" making it happen in the marketing space. The ones who do? Are post making a killing being "that guy".

    Again I agree, but I have yet to see what Mayweather has done (other than that video) that wasn't inclusive. Michael Jackson transcended race. Magic Johnson had the NBA media monster behind him.

    The truth is that ALL Black men must sell a portion of their souls to become accepted. As long as he does that which his people find interesting he will be seen as an outcast. Just look at Obama and the poetry jam fiasco. Magically Common became a "gangsta rapper". Not that he is or isn't, but the man's career is so out of the sphere of White perception that saying some nonsense like this was thought passable.

    The only thing I think changes this is time. Unfortunately with the flow of information today? He will be forgotten before his image softens.

    Obama isn't really different. He was being challenged before he even implemented a policy. "He" isn't one of "us" and by "us" I don't mean American. I mean REAL American. And by REAL American I mean... Everything is fine until you start actually trying to be equal.

    Mayweather has made the mistake of being young, Black, rich, talented, and confident. His existence assaults the sensitivities of some. He is treated accordingly.