Thomas Hearns 1987 v Matthew Saad Muhammad 1979

Thank you for the "boxrec breakdown", but before he fought Hearns he had fought nobody of note at 175. He was a tough guy, but not in the class of Saad Muhammad, who had been in with great comp and fought wars even by 1979. This fight looks like Hearns-Barkley while it lasts, and with the same ending. Tommy was great, but this is not an optimal weight, nor opponent for him.

 

This topic has nothing to do with who Andries had fought when Hearns beat him, i mentioned Andries as an example of the rough tough fighters Hearns had beaten. you obviously know nothing about Dennis Andries otherwise you would not be labeling him as similar to Iran Barkley who was a 160lb fighter at his best. Andries fought and beat cruisers & heavyweights and was a totally different animal to Barkley, Andries was a 3 times champion at 175 and had fought some very good fighters before he fought Hearns otherwise he would not be the reighning world champion the night he fought Hearns.. you need to do your homework on fighters like Andries before labeling him as a soft-touch because no one here in the U.K. who watched Andries career unfold would accept or go along with your assumptions and incorrect theory of a very good fighter like Dennis Andries.. Yet this is you all over, you like nothing better than trashing great fighters from the past like Andries & Thomas Hearns, Marciano, Frazier, Dempsey, Pep the list is endless yet you rate Tommy Morrison as "up there with the all time greats" is what you said. :huh

 

Andries was not in his 40's when he lost to Hearns. 34 years old. Born in 1953 I think from Guyana, but not exactly sure. A solid strong fighter which at the time was defined as crude but powerful, which was his style and it worked. Emanual refined it a little so he had a jab after, but regardless he was always good enough to win a title. He won the 175 pound title 3 times I think. His win over Czyz was interesting. Sort of underrated. I even think later on Andries had a win over a very tough fighter named Crawford Ashley who was 6-3 and had a nice right hand.

 

I thought he fought well there also. He won two titles at 175 4 years apart. At 175 he would not have been the same style as the 147 pound Hearns. He would have had to box and use his jab and experience to win fights. I always thought Barkley was the wrong style for him, but had he fought other guys he could have had a long enough reign with all the experience he had and his jab.

 

If you're going to use Andries as an example of a Hearns win, you need to look at it from the time he actually fought him. At that time, on the world level, Andries had fought few fighters of note.

And if you had better reading comprehension you would have figured out my Hearns-Barkley comparison was meant towards Saad Muhammad, who the thread is about. And I don't mean stylistically, I mean in general.

What heavyweight did Andries beat? What cruiser weights of note? You're right though, Andries was a totally different animal to Barkley, he didn't beat Hearns, while Iran did it twice.

As far as how Andries got his title before fighting Hearns, is that one of the "very good" fighters you're talking about who he won it from? :yep

My whole point is, Andries was never in Saad Muhammad's class as a fighter. If you'd like to debate that than feel free and I'll happily educate you again. Of course in your warped mind this must mean Im hating on him.

Still waiting in you to post links or proof of these claims of me trashing fighters or claiming Tommy Morrison an all time great. Are you going to do that or just admit you're lying?

 

Hearns takes an early lead but eventually Matt catches up and scores a ref stoppage in the 8th round

 

I think this to be a realistic outcome. Nobody is going to outbox Tommy, but like Barkley, Saad Muhammad is the type of fighter who will keep coming in spite of the beating he's taking and keep throwing bombs.

 

I have absolute respect for Tommy.He was a ****ing gladiator.But he did not have a great chin.And he was NOT a great lightheavy.Saad was a big,big puncher with a big chin and Tommy would not have had all of the physical advantages over Saad that he would have had over smaller ones.Once Saad starts landing on Tommy,it's all over.

 

Good post:good.Plus the fact that how superior was Saad over Iran especially at 175.Bit of a blowout.

 

on the other site is where you claimed "Tommy Morrison to be up there with the all time greats" or maybe you have had the common sense to delete it along with almost all your other howlers.

Dennis Andries fought Dave Pearce the British Heavyweight Champion and Bunny Johnson who fought and beat Heavyweights most of his career. as alway's you try to misconstue the facts to suit your "Hate Agenda" of all fighters from the past. Andries was brought into this debate as an example of a rough tough customer with warrior spirit as evidence Hearns could handle those kind of fighters which is what Saad Muhammad is. you keep refering to Barkley's victories over Hearns yet decline to mention the story behind those two fights, which i can only put down too you not having ever seen either fight. fight (1) Hearns bust-up Barkley and was only seconds away from a stoppage win when Barkley caught him with a last-ditch desperation left-hook. fight (2) Hearns had his nose broken in the 5th round of a brutal brawl before going on to lose a very close decision to Barkley the same Barkley who i am sure would give Saad Muhammad a very hard fight... Andries fought some very good fighters but it is pointless me tring to explain to you that fighters like J.B Williamson, Bobby Czyz, Alex Blanchard, Jeff Harding, Thomas Hearns, Johnny Nelson, Bunny Johnson or Pzemyslaw Seleta was all decent fighters because you have zero interest in fighters pre2002 with your only slight knowledge of this sport being the book your mummy bought you last christmas of Sam Langford which you still have not read in full. your quick to rubbish guys like Andries claiming he fought no-one before he won the title or pointing to any defeat he suffered on his way up yet Langford lost many fights on his way up and only managed a draw in half of his first 15 fights and should anyone bring that stat up your on their case almost immediately.. you have double standards which you apply to suit your agenda of hate towards all boxers you know nothing about (which is 99.9%)... i sujest you go back to your Tommy Morrison DVDs and leave debating boxing to those who know, understand and enjoy debating it as your true colors are coming out each time you post a comment you clown.

 

You've obviously got nothing left for me but trolling, but its always what you've been best at, isn't it?

 

You are now telling your usual lies to try to cover-up and hide your lack of knowledge of this sport, you quote on Tommy Morrison said, "If Tommy had a better chin he would be up there with the all times greats of the sport"... but you are now back-peddling and trying to minimize the ridicule which you are getting for that ridiculous comment.. How can you ever be taken serious on any boxing debate when you are coming out with quotes like that one about a fighter like Tommy Morrison who was nothing other than a steroid abusing weak chinned cheat. you earlier denied saying Morrison was up there with the All time greats and now you are admitting it and looking to "Down-play" your comment by implying it was "off-the-cuff" but your history tells a different story, your history shows that you are renowned for making comments like that as well as being renowned for trolling & telling lies with your biggest pitfall being your HATRED of boxers from yesteryear.

Again your knowledge of boxing is so poor you dig yourself into large holes everytime you make a post.. Dave Pearce was the British Heavyweight Champion and a very good young fighter who had to hang-up his gloves before he reached his full potential due to a severe medical problem he was suffering from which was unrelated to boxing. Bunny Johnson was another very good british fighter who fougt some good fighters who included James"Great"Scott over in Rahway Prison and also fought former Heavyweight Title challenger Richard Dunn as well as Duane Bobick, Danny McAlinden & Mike Quarry.. but you won't know nothing about any of those fighters as you know nothing about boxing pre 2002.

You obviously have never ever seen Hearns vs Barkley (1 or (2) to claim that Hearns was not "Only seconds away from certain victory" due to the fight being stopped due to cuts is simply hideous and is proof you have not watched that fight... you consult Boxrec then come onto this forum spewing out your lies and assumptions without knowing anything whatsoever about what your talking about.. you Troll this site looking to try to trip-up members and draw them into a childish "slagging match" with you because you cannot debate boxing due to your lack of knowledge of the sport.. You are a well known Troll who infests boxing forums telling lies to try to seduce members into a slagging match with you. you are known as a "HATER" of Legendary fighters from the past like Willie Pep, Marciano, Dempsey, Frazier, Tunney, Tyson, Bowe & Thomas Hearns among dozens of others, everyone knows your game JAB so "give it up mate" go away leave real boxing fans to debate their sport while you watch your Tommy Morrison DVDs.

 

The prime Saad that won the title from Marvin Johnson would destroy Thomas Hearns .. a brutal early round KO ...

 

Again, nothing left but trolling. :rofl