Is Calzaghe's legacy going to take a MASSIVE hit in 2011-12?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Kittikasem, May 16, 2011.


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  1. Kittikasem

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    The two main ways that Calzaghe's legacy is defined by his own fans is:


    - through his rivalry with Bernard Hopkins (Calzaghe fanatics believe Joe's career has been superior to Bernard's)


    - through his status as the greatest ever supermiddleweight in terms of achievement at the weight (obviously Jones and Toney had superior skillsets, but neither stayed long enough in the division to match Joe's accomplishments)



    Now, please note that I have stressed these are the two main ways that his fans define Joe, because no serious boxing fan or critic or historian believes there is a rivalry between Bernard Hopkins and Joe Calzaghe in all-time terms, because Hopkins's skillset, resume, career achievements and overall legacy have always been well clear of Calzaghe's.


    But now, if Bernard gets the decision he deserved last time against Jean Pascal to become the oldest man to ever win a major world boxing title, the gap between B-Hop and Joe is surely now far too wide for even the most ardent Calzaghe supporter to debate the issue of who is the greater fighter.


    And, this year could also see Andre Ward crowned as the Super Six tournament winner, and then a huge unification fight with undefeated Lucian Bute surely can't be far off.

    If Ward beats the Froch/Johnson winner to be the last man standing of the Super Six, and then cleans up the division by taking Bute's zero, he will have surpassed Joe in terms of resume AND matched him in terms of achievement (arguably exceeded) in much, much less time than it took the Welshman.



    Therefore, are 2011 and 2012 going to be the years where Joe's paper achievements take the massive hit they were always going to be susceptible to?

    Is he going to be remembered as just another Sven Ottke in time? :huh
     
    Kittikasem, May 16, 2011
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  2. kommieforniaglo

    kommieforniaglo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Calslappy's legacy of being one of the biggest Hype Job's in the sport, will go untarnished, rest assured. :deal
     
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  3. timeout

    timeout Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Get over it bro.:patsch
    Hes retired.
    Hes a GOAT.

    Simple.
    46 have tried 0 have suceeded.

    There IS NO BLUE PRINT>....:vonnecunt
     
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  4. sosolid4u09

    sosolid4u09 4 8 15 16 23 42 banned Full Member

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    what the hell has other fighters got to do with calzaghe?! hes RETIRED> his legacy is secured and written what other fighters do wont taint his legacy in the slightest! they are building their own legacy
     
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  5. Kittikasem

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    If fighters are never compared to each other in historical terms, then why would we have endless lists, books and discussions about who the greatest champions were and who the top 10/20/50/100 fighters were, etc etc? :huh

    Like it or not, people get ranked and rated in all-time terms all the time, by many many people. I suggest you get acquainted with boxing historians and boxing literature friend.
     
    Kittikasem, May 16, 2011
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  6. Kittikasem

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    Sven Ottke is a stone cold ATG as well then. Quality assessment. :oops:
     
    Kittikasem, May 16, 2011
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  7. purephase

    purephase Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No. If Hopkins beats Pascal, that just means Calzaghe obviously would have as well (seeing as how he DOMINATED Hopkins), so we can add another projected victory to his record. Indeed, Calzaghe has loads more to gain from a Hopkins victory than Bernard does.

    Calzaghe's resume will also be bolstered by Roy Jones' upcoming loss, as it will serve as further evidence that Joe was the one who truly ruined him. Finally, anything Ward does in the Super Six is undermined by the fact that he's been fighting at home the whole time, unlike the brave warrior Calzaghe.
     
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  8. Kittikasem

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  9. purephase

    purephase Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't understand what you are trying to say. Calzaghe obviously would have also beaten all three of those guys too, so I think we can add another three wins to his already sterling resume.
     
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  10. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    I'm not a big Calzaghe fan, but the guy retired undefeated, won every major belt at SMW, beat Hopkins for the LHW title, and left the game as the best SMW of all time(albeit the division hasn't been around for very long). I can't see hpw his legacy can take a massive hit given what he's done and given that he's retired.
     
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  11. Kittikasem

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  12. BoxingFanNo1

    BoxingFanNo1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No, his legacy is secure however you wish to define it.
     
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  13. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Listen Ward could go on to be an ATG. End of the day Ward hasn't been more convincing against either of their common opponents (your a boxrec fan if you think that) and they were both too inactive before fighting Ward. Calzaghe had a better title reighn than Hopkins in length, quality of comp, fought out of his own country more etc. He also beat Hopkins at lhw which solidifies his higher atg standing.
     
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  14. WarpedDesign

    WarpedDesign Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Didn't you just do a Calzaghe/Ward poll yesterday? I don't know what the obsession is with trolling Calzaghe years after he retired. Yes he could have achieved a lot more in his career but I don't understand why he crops up so often nowadays, he hasn't been relevant for some time now.
     
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  15. purephase

    purephase Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You already posted Mosley once, but Calzaghe also would have surely defeated Mayorga and Forrest. I now have him at 52-0 with projected wins over Pavlik, Mosley, Cotto, Margarito, Mayorga, and Forrest (to be 53-0 once Hopkins beats Pascal). I'm also not sure who the white bloke you keep posting is, but he looks like he's in terrible shape for a boxer and would not be able to handle Joe's workrate. I thought you were trying to question Calzaghe's legacy, not further enhance it :think
     
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