Could Sugar Ray Robinson be beaten at middleweight?

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  1. ajohnfp

    ajohnfp Sooner Full Member

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    Well?
     
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  2. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    Yes
     
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  3. David B

    David B Nazi Russia lies. This is the only truth. Full Member

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    Charley Burley
    Carmen Basilio
    Roy Jones Jr.
    prime Michael Nunn
     
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  4. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    I would take Hopkins to pull out a decision over Robinson at 160lbs. Even though Robinson is one of the greatest middleweights of all time, he proved to be very beatable. The reason he's rated so highly, was because he won the title five times. Not sure anyone was quite the king of the rematches like Robinson was in the 1950's.
     
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  5. john garfield

    john garfield Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes, he was -- lots of proof in the record books, but it took a helluva fighter to do it, until he was only a shell that showed up.

    Like SP pointed out, SRR was nonpareil at welter.
     
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    Jbuz Belt folder Full Member

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    Umm... he was beaten there several times...

    or do you mean welter?
     
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  7. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Of course; he was beaten there.

    Anyone can be beaten.
     
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  8. Jack Dempsey

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    Marciano wasn't:yep
     
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  9. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well, Sugar was past his best at middlewight and tipped the scales at 154, so he was not even a big middleweight, so sure he could be beaten. Thing is, he'd take a good chunk out of whomever did it.
     
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  10. RockyJim

    RockyJim Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Could be beaten?....he was....Randy Turpin.....Gene Fullmer....Carmen Basilio...
    & Paul Pender(twice).....I'd love to have seen him against Hagler......Zale...
    Cerdan.....Monzon.....
     
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  11. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes he was...;)
     
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  12. JimmyShimmy

    JimmyShimmy 1050 psi Full Member

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    All this talk about how he was unbeatable at WW yet he was nearly knocked out a few times.
     
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  13. JohnThomas1

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    But like Holmes and Ali, nearly may as well have been nothing.
     
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  14. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He had his moments, his biggest struggle may of been against Servo; by newspaper accounts Marty was darn unlucky to lose to him second time round
     
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  15. JimmyShimmy

    JimmyShimmy 1050 psi Full Member

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    Yet I don't consider them 'unbeatable', and I'm sure you don't either.

    In 1946, Robinson was arguably saved from a long count when he was planted by Artie Levine.
     
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