How good was Dempsey's title reign?

the difference between myself and you is that i understand boxing history having followed the sport for more than 40yrs... i voted A+ and you voted C

name me any other Heavyweight champion in history who had World title fights that was as exciting or as legendary in terms of historical fights as Jack Dempsey.

Dempsey v Firpo - most knock downs and wildest most brutal fight in heavyweight history

Dempsey v Willard - most brutal demolition of any heavyweight champion in history with Willard suffering broken jaw, cheeck-bone, eye-socket, ribs and loss of teeth.

Dempsey v Tunney - Battle of the Long Count

Add to this the million dollar gates and Jack Dempsey was rightly in a League of his own as the greatest fighting machine who ever lived....... JAB scored him a C

 

Great post, burt. :good

 

What about Patterson´s? Wlad´s?

 

ffs... you are a howler mate. Tunney beat Greb 3-1-1 with Greb using fouls to try to get the victory and still losing. ... for your information i am not using boxrec i use my own knowledge of what i read unlike yourself who uses boxrec backed-up with repeated lying.

 

:think I bet you do so

 

So what you are saying here is that Gene Tunney was "weak comp"?

Luois Angel Firpo was undeserving & weak comp?

Willard should not have been champion by dethroning Johnson?

you obviously know nothing whatsoever about Jess Willard, Gene Tunney or Louis Firpo

again you avoided the 5 points i listed, choosing to just ignore them

To claim Carpentier as "weak comp" is laughable. Carpentier was thought by many at ringside to be the victor over Jeanette... did Greb ever fight Jeanette, Willard, Tate, Godfrey, Langford, Carpentier, Firpo, Wills?

Carpentier fought at 175+ Greb fought 159-168

 

i voted D, because there was no option to vote F.

 

I agree.
Carpentier was too small - it's said that Tex Rickard and Carpentier's camp kept him at a safe distance from any press men who were likely to note in print how small the Frenchman was, in case it hurt the gate.

But Carpentier was the biggest potential box-office attraction, especially with the war hero/draft dodger angle that Tex envisaged and promoted.

Harry Greb being "too small" or "not too small" was obviously a talking point at the time.
Dempsey called him "too small" after the 1922 Greb-Gibbons go, but he might have been using it as a euphemism for "too good" ! On the other hand, Dempsey's win over Carpentier was downgraded after the event by several press men ands fans who decided it was a mismatch because Carpentier was "just a middleweight".
It's probably a bit of both.
Interestingly, Harry Wills refused to fight Gene Tunney in 1926 with the excuse, "he's too small for me", although he'd been fighting men of Tunney's size and smaller for years.
I guess it was a stock excuse for heavyweights back then. You end up getting more credit for beating big guys anyway, I guess.

 

I voted B+. I´m used to German grades though which means from 1 to 6 with no plus or minus and stuff. One beeing best, six beeing first. This means Dempsey would be a four which is equivalent to sufficiently. The worst I would give any hw champ with more than 2 title defences. I rank him there alongside Johnson, Patterson and Wlad.