Your Top 15 p4p?

Just a question, why do people rate Bute higher than Froch

 

1.Pacquiao
2. Martinez
3.Donaire
4.Marquez
5 Wladimir Klitschko
6. Tim bradley
7. Vitali klitschko
8. Gamboa
9. Hopkins
10 Cotto
11 Segura
12 Froch
13 Ward
14 Bute
15 Khan

 

They've never fought so nobody knows who's better.

 

1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Sergio Martinez
3. Nonito Donaire
4. Andre Ward
5. Wladimir Klitschko
6. Juan Manuel Marquez
7. Carl Froch
8. Timothy Bradley
9. Bernard Hopkins
10. Vitali Klitschko
11. Jean Pascal
12. Lucian Bute
13. Miguel Cotto
14. Giovanni Segura
15. Yuriorkis Gamboa

On the outside looking in: Roman Gonzalez, Pongsaklek Wonjongkam, Chad Dawson, Tomasz Adamek, Chris John, David Haye, Victor Ortiz, Joseph Agbeko, Amir Khan, Vic Darchinyan, Anselmo Moreno, Fernando Montiel, etc.

 

1- Pacquiao
2- Donaire
3- Martinez
4- Ward
5- Froch
6- Bradley
7- Hopkins
8- Gamboa
9- Wonjongkam
10- Segura
11- Khan
12- Cotto
13- Marquez
14- A. Moreno
15- A. Mares

 

Ok, so you look at who they have fought.

Froch: AA, Kessler (loss), Dirrell, Taylor, Pascal, Reid

Bute: Miranda, Andrade x2, Bika, Joppy

And people still rate Bute ahead of him :huh

 

1. Pac
2. Money
3. Martinez
4. Wlad
5. Marquez
6. Donaire
7. Vitali
8. Gamboa
9. Froch
10. Ward

 

When predicting the outcome of a fight you don't base the winner solely on who's fought the better fighters. Pacquiao's arguably fought better comp than Mayweather yet people still think Mayweather would beat him. Froch has fought better comp than Ward etc.
I'm not basing my list off resume but who I think is actually better. Who would win if they fought 2morro

 

And even tho they're good names Froch lost to Kessler & looked poor against Dirrell & Taylor.

I concede if you go off resume Bute is nowhere

 

So how can we really judge him if he hasnt fought half decent comp

 

Well we can't thats why you can never really gauge p4p rankings. But basically it's the same as predicting a bout. you just go off what you've seen in the past.

You can't really compare Bute looking great against bums to Froch looking **** but still winning against Taylor. I personally think Bute has the tools to beat Froch or Ward but they also have the tools to beat Bute.
To me Froch, Ward & Bute are all pretty even. If they all fought each other I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out like Cotto/Mosely/Margarito.

 

1. Mayweather
2.Martinez
3.Pacquiao
4.Wlad
5.Marquez
6.Gamboa
7.Donaire
8.Wonjongkam
9.Ward
10.Segura
11.Froch
12.john
13.pascal
14.Guerrero
15.Hopkins

 

1.Pacquiao
2.Nonito - Martinez not much sepearating tuff one?
4.Marquez
5.Gamboa I know but hes just stands out in hth pfp matchups over others
6.Bradley These next 3 you can swithch up anyway,but like bradleys consistency
7.Ward
8.Hopkins
9.Wlad
10.Segura
11.Vitali
12.Pascal
13.Williams
14.John
15.Mares
16.Agbeko
17.Darchinyan
18.Kahn
19.Froch
20.Bute


Others Salido,Guerrero,Cotto,Nishioka,Pong,Rios,Haye,Dawson,Cunningham,Ortiz,Huck,Kessler,Adamek,Rigondeaux,Lopez

Would have put Cotto but i just dont think hes top 15 material at JM if he was still at Welter he might crack the top 10... Froch is a little overrated, and im only squezzing him in at 20 cuz of his good "official" wins , lost to Kessler should have lost to Dirrell.. Pascal has also improved alot since moving up and his win over Dawson and close fight with B-Hop counts more than Frochs win. If Froch can beat Ward ore even give a close fight ill give him his props, but lets see him get past Johnson first.. And Pong just has to fight better opposition, to be ranked above those quality guys. I would have put DIrrell 12 but dont know what the hell he wants to do hes been to quite and inactive.

 

why are people placing hopkins between 5-10 on their p4p lists.

his last 2 years of work =

beating 29-6 ornelas by ud

beating a roy jones who had lost his previous fight to danny green in 1 round by ud

drawing with pascal who none of you have on your lists



how does this qualify hopkins for being 5-10 p4p?