In 20 years, looking back on the Pac-Floyd saga..

I don't really think I have to wish it were true. Mosley's status in the division in 2010 was higher than Clottey's has ever been, and the same goes for Berto. Hell, some people believe the Margarito victory made him the lineal champion. And really, the only time period in which a Clottey victory would be considered anything close to decent would be between 2008 and 2009. If Mayweather had fought him prior to that, Clottey's name would not stand out at all. I agree that there are some huge holes in Mayweather's resume, but trying to say Clottey is one of them makes it sound like you're either on the Top Rank payroll or arguing in bad faith.

I mean that's great and all, but one can just as easily point to the fact that three of them of have been with Top Rank this entire time and Floyd had a messy falling out with said promotional company. Floyd's welterweight resume is less than inspiring, but to simply reduce all of this to fear or to act like he was the only reason those fights have never been made strikes me as pretty reductive (especially because of how opaque the behind-the-scenes politics are).

 

In 20 yrs, new generations will not even know who floyd ducked so it wont be an issue...But im pretty sure floyd will be ranked ATG around 40-50, and everybody will be satisfied with these because nobody cares...

 

Yes.

 

None of this changes anything I said.

 

Mitchell was his first fight at WW and at the time the Judah fight was signed, Judah was the lineal WW champ and had 3 straps.

And nobody ever gave a dayum about Clottey. He was at best a fringe contender who brought nothing to the table as far as belts, no name recognition, or fan interest.

You can argue alot of things about Mayweather. But fighting Clottey is a non-starter.

 

I fail to see the relevance of much of the above to the discussion we were having. Assertions about Clottey's rep do not correspond to what he has actually accomplished in The Ring, which is hardly enough to call him a hole in anyone's resume. Yes, Clottey may have been better than two tune-up fights and an already contracted fight against the ex-lineal champion of the division. But this does not automatically mean he was so much better that his name constitutes a conspicuous absence on Floyd's CV, nor does it make him a better opponent than Mosley (which was the crux much of our discussion).

I also fail to see what you're getting at in your last sentence. The mere fact that Floyd talks nonsense about belts does not mean we should simply disregard lineal titles in evaluating his resume.

No, I am not simply chalking everything up to behind the scenes politics. I am suggesting it is an equally plausible explanation for why those welterweight fights never happened. I would make a similar response along the lines you've given to anyone who tried to completely blame Top Rank and absolve Floyd of responsibility for fights not getting made. I merely believe that we do not have enough information to fully determine who is to blame in either direction.

I also think Top Rank has kind of been a common factor in every single case. They were his promoter during all of those earlier cases, and it's not as if the company has never been accused of protecting fighters in the past or being unable to work with other promoters. Again, I am not trying to shift the blame but simply point out that it's entirely clear that it lies with one party alone.

 

20 years from now, people will remember Fraud as a fighter who came out about his sexual orientation, i.e, Leon, Ellerbe and 50 cents.

He will be the Rock Hudson of boxing, a figure who people can not remember what fights he was in. He will never reach SRL, SRR, Dempsey, Louis, Foreman, Tyson, even Marciano in terms of name recall. Pac will join these people as esteemed names in the echelon of boxing greats, where casual non-boxing people will have name recognition.

 

In 20yrs time, neither man will be mentioned with the top 10 fighters that ever lived unless they fight each other... if they dont fight, they will be remembered for being dirty frauds & rightly so !

 

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in 20 years, i'm going to walk up to floyd and punch him in the face. can't wait!

 

:rofl love that guy

 

yeah, that's because MMA fighters DO roid more than boxers.

f'n meatheads.