Why is everyone saying Pac is now to big for JMM?

Obviously you got this all wrong.

If JMM rehydrates to 145 fight night, what do you think that is, rehydrated fat? No, its rehydrated water...logically, there is only 1 reason JMM could have got down in weight. IE if he came to training camp 150lbs, he would loose 5lbs fat and 10lbs water.

Pac on the other hand weighs inat 144 and fights at 148. Are you trying to tell me that Pac is completely dehydrated at fight night? If that was 148 of solid muscle, skin and bone and hes not dehydrated, he should be 155lbs atleast.

Its simple, Pac can probably dehydrate to about 138lbs, same as the Hatton fight, but he chooses not dehydrate, and instead comes into weigh in the same as he does to fight night.

IF Pac did indeed neet to cut 5lbs of muscle to get to 140, how do you expect that he only weighs 148lb on fight night? Are you saying he is severely dehydrated on fight night? Its a fact that hes well hydrated, if he needs to come down to 140, he will simply need to cut water, not muscle. Now should he need to come down to 135, then he would probably need to cut 3lbs of fat and the rest water, you can only loose so much water.

Proof of this?

pac vs ODLH = Pac weigh in 142, fight night 149.
Pac vs Hatton in his next fight, Pac did not have to cut muscle, he simply dehydrated himself to 138, and AGAIN, rehydrated back to 148 on fight night. Unless your implying Pac cut 10lbs of muscle, went to gym and bulked up 10lbs of muscle for the next day.

 

1. They spent most or all of their careers at 147. Obviously every fighter is going to feel better without cutting any weight at all, but they compromise and find a comfortable weight where they can retain a size advantage over opponents who are not cutting weight, like Manny. 147 was their optimal weights, unless you want to argue that they all - by incredible coincidence - outgrew the weight class when Pacquiao got there?

2. That fight was 3 years ago, not 7. Pacquiao has gained a total of at most 3lbs since then, but probably less. He rehydrated to 145 against JMM as opposed to 148 against Margarito.

 

I just don't get why Pac can't have the fight at 140? Makes no sense if he rehydrates to only 145, 140 should be a breeze to make. The only conceivable reason for the fight being higher than 140 is to put Marquez at a disadvantage. Pac is now a full fledged welter unless he can fight at 140 with no problem which he obviously can't or this fight would be there or at a a catch weight between 135 and 140. Either admit Pac's a full fledged welter or admit that hes fighting Marquez at hgher than 140 to put Marquez at a disadvantage. team Pac does everything imiganiable to give Pac unfair advantages time and time again.

 

no he isn't. pac is just effective at welter. but come fight night, yes they would be the same size and even nacho is acknowledging this. they won't need to come in at 148 just like in the floyd fight.

 

it's funny how the very same people who constantly criticize Pacquiao for draining his opponents say Pacquiao should fight JMM at 140 for the fight to be fair.

 

Pac will fight anybody they put in front of him including ( Arum, Roach and Jinkee) just to avoid taking a test to fight Mayweather. Why don't he just TAKE THE DAM TEST?

 

No it's not.

 

I'm a Pac fan - been called a ******* (also been called a ***** but that's a story for another time I guess) - and I think Pacquiao can make 140 with ease. I just don't honestly believe it would make any difference at all. 140, 144, 147 - the fight is the same.

 

Pac is the p4p #1, the champ, the draw, why should he dehydrate himself to meet JMM at 140? Yes, dehydrating yourself 5lbs is still effort. JMM also would be dehydrating himself. The point is, why instead of wanting both to dehydrate themselves, why not allow them to weigh in at their natural weight 145-148 respectively, and fight at their natural weight, 145-148.

Pac is a small fighter, a 138lb fighter who doesnt like to dehydrate anymore therefore fights at his natural weight of 147. The rest of 147 are natural JMW fighters dehydrating themselves to make 147. JMM just needs to do what Pac does, stop dehydrating himself.

 

I think that roach and pac are just following Ariza's advice, Pac would still have to drain a little to even make 140 and I'm sure Ariza has convinced them that going up and down in weight is detrimental to a fighters health.
Look at it this way, he just has to put on 4 lbs or so from the previous day, not so unreasonable, he's not bloated with water weight.
It all boils down to money as well, thats why they are fighting, they can make more money with a 3rd marquez fight than they could with a Bradley fight, who will probably be his next opponent after marquez.
Its not that much of a big deal compared to what floyd did, cuz floyd probably naturally weighs 160 or so, doesn't bother to make the catchweight and then outweights marquez by 15 to 20 lbs come fight night. Pac will probably stay at 148 to 150 while Marques will probably be 145, not so bad a difference.
Will pac knock marquez out , probably as Marquez is someone who will not run like Mosley and I don't think he has the power to knock pac out, he will have to win on points, thats his only shot.

 

First off i love your avatar. Second off You say Pacquiao is a small ww? If he's a small ww and only weighs up to 148 pounds on fight night then why doesn't he fight Marquez rubbermatch at 140 pounds? I know why and it's easily simple cause Pacquiao will have more energy, more power to his punches and more muscle fat and he would eat right instead of drinking too much water and worry about making the weight. <<<This is why Pacquiao wants to fight at a 144 pound catchweight vs Marquez because of those. I think Pacquiao can make 140 pounds easily he just don't want to cause he wants more muscles, more power behind his punches in which he wants to have a big advantage in his favor.This is why i've said this rubbermatch is a damn mismatch.

 

I agree that he could make 140 easily. That's not the point.

It's just laughing at the double standards on ESB. Like Pac should go from 140 to 147 to 154 to 147 to 140 just to please his opponents.

 

Ive answered this question a few times already.

Because Pac dont wanna dehydrate. And yes youre right, he will have more energy bla bla bla. Isnt that what we wanna see, a fighter with more speed, power, energy because their not dehydrating themselves?

Question, why dont JMM do what Pac does? JMM routinely drops 10lbs of water dehydrating himself...dont you think thats hindering his performance? If he didnt dehydrate himself, he would have more energy etc. Isnt this what we wanna see, a fighter at their peak cos their not dehydrating?

Now youre gonna ask, why was he bloated against PBF?
Because he tried to BULK up against PBF, bulk is actual bulk, either muscle or fat, not water. The water weight is gonna be there regardless. So if JMM usually weighs in at 135, fights at 145, what he tried to do with PBF is have an actual 5lbs extra ACTUAL weight so probably came into the ring at 149/150.

He had to do that cos he knows he would be outweighed by PBF big time.

Pac will outweigh JMM, 3lbs...but thats been the case since FW/SFW.

The biggest thing you guys can argue in JMM's favour is this:

At 140, Pac will have to drain 8lbs of water, JMM will only have to drain 5lbs of water...so its a case of Pac being more drained than JMM. My question is, why drain either of them? Drain both of them if one has a big weight advantage, so it balances it out, he has more weight on fight night but is more drained. In the case of Pac-JMM, pac dont have a big weight advantage. He will have to loose 4lbs of water, JMM will have to loose about 2-3lbs.

Im guessing JMM will bulk up 2lb for this fight...which isnt much.

 

why do you always act like Pac is the victim?

He's being treated just like everyone else who's on top...DEAL WITH IT

 

You just made my point in which i've said this 3rd fight between these 2 is a damn mismatch in Pacquiao favor. At over 140 pounds Pacquiao is healther with better power, more fatness, more muscles, more energy in which he don't have to worry about making the weight. While Marquez is clearly not a better fighter at over 140 pounds. Marquez weight is at lightweight point blank period. Enough about "on fight night their weight is not far apart." <<<On fight night weight is not what matters. What matters mostly is the weigh in too see how the fighters look of making the weight if he looks healthy or not. Morales weigh in at 147 pounds on fight vs Barrera in the 3rd fight but why it didn't have advantage in Morales favor? Because he was killing himself to make weight in which Barrera look more healthy with better energy. Like i said many times Pacquiao vs Marquez 3rd fight is clearly a mismatch in Pacquiao favor. It's clearly not the same as in the rematch.