Marquez and Pacquiao are the same size

Pacquiao has alot more muscle on his 145 frame than Marquez at 145

 

Yes he is.

 

I made the same thread a few days ago Jack - maybe i'm being a bit naive, but I really think JMM haw a great chance in this fight. It's all about styles, and Marquez has a style that gives Manny fits.

 

There are a lot of people, Jack, who don't understand this for some reason. The concept seems so utterly simple to me. Even Paulie Malignaggi - a professional boxer - has wondered how Pacquiao was able to put on 17lbs of muscle and jump from 130 to 147 in a couple years... atsch


But just so you know, Pacquiao has been ~148 consistently on fight night since moving up from lightweight, not 145. Not that it makes a significant difference.

 

They aren't really the same size anymore in my opinion. Pac has weighed 144-145 for his last 4 fights, JMM has come in under 135 for his last 2, 142 against Floyd and he looked awful. Weight in the ring may be the same, but strength will not be at all. Pac is naturally carrying himself around his fighting weight, JMM is not, if he comes in at 144 its not his fighting weight, its ten pounds over his best weight, which he is not used to carrying and it really slows him down as we saw in the Floyd fight. Pac at 144 is all muscle and he has looked good in that body and fast.
Not to mention JMM is not getting any better, he peaked a few years ago. Now Pac has developed a more all around game, JMM doesn't just have to look for the straight left anymore, he has much more to worry about aside from the size and strength difference. Manny is going to be fast and powerful in there and I don't think JMM can handle that now, even Katsidis was giving him some trouble, and Kat is not even close to pac's level.
But at the end of the day, this fight is the only one that makes sense right now given the fued of promoters and Floyd sitting idle. I hope its a great fight, but I'm not counting on it.

 

they are about the same size... jmm goes 145-146 lbs. during fights while pac comes in @148-149.

the difference is that pac has been gotten used to fighting big 160-lb guys for the past 2.5 years. it will be a welcome change for pac to finally go back to fighting guys at or near his size.

we know that pac was able to hurt these big 160+ lb guys as well as absorb their big punches. that therefore doesn't auger well for the 146-lb jmm in their 3rd fight.

 

I don't think that's entirely accurate. Although I do understand your point. There is a diiference between fight weight and walking around weight. Although they may be at similar weights from time to time, the fact of the matter is that Pac has entered the ring at 147 & 148 so he's considerably more comfortable fighting at the higher weight. JMM fought Floyd at about 144lbs which is quite heavy for him. 138lbs entiring the ring against Katsidas. So Pac fights bigger guys at a heavier weights so in this sport he is the bigger guy!

 

:yep Fact is....they have the same build and frame but due to PAC competing at the higher weights for the last few years, his body has gotten accustomed to the weight, it's had time to acclimate and fill out properly with the help of his strength and conditioning preparations.

JMM's last couple of fights have been at 135.....if he was planning on a PAC fight I would have liked to see him fight a few fights at 140 or above so he'd have more time to adjust physically to the added weight. Fact is he'll be just as bad off as he was in the Floyd fight. Too much muscle and wieght he's not use to carrying will slow him down, tire him out and make him less mobile.

 

I made a thread about this fight and suggested that Marquez had more success against Pac at the lower weights where they fought before because Pacquiao was drained, and that Manny performs a lot better now that he doesn't have to really make any effort at all to make weight - even if this requires him to fight opponents who are significantly bigger than he is. I was called a *******.

As evidence that Pacquiao has been adversely affected by weight drain in the past, I brought up the fact that Pacquiao's two KO losses both happened when he was so dehydrated that he was physically unable to make weight, going so far as trying to spit in a cup to shed the final pound. In fact, he had so outgrown the flyweight division in his second loss than he jumped THREE weight classes immediately after the fight. I was told that Pacquiao was a cheater and should be condemned the same as Mayweather for what he did to JMM...and called a *******.

 

Marquez was 145 against Katsidis. Watch this video for about 30 seconds before you attempt to argue this:

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