Do You Endorse Blood Testing ?

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  1. KnuckleUp99

    KnuckleUp99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Like Ward said....I welcome it. And should it be enforced I expect ALL athletes to follow the rules to a "T". I think it's clear EVERYONE feels that way.

    However...I don't see Ward jumping up and taking charge on the idea. He could actually move towards making ALL his fights include blood testing.

    But I doubt he will...just like everyone else. it's a great idea, but no one is really moving like they want to be the pioneers of the whole movement.
     
  2. bust3r

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    "There is a new and promising HGH urine test that was developed at George Mason University. The new test uses nanotechnology to bind and amplify HGH in urine so that it may be detectable for a longer period of time. Blood screening can only detect HGH taken within the previous 24 to 48 hours. Nanotechnology may allow urine detection out to that two-week range."

    Form the same article you quoted.
     
  3. IPitydaFo0l

    IPitydaFo0l ATG in the making Full Member

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    I'm all for it but it has to be across the board and done properly. Not just to hold up a fight and not just how one fighter feels that it should be done. If I understand correctly, it's year round so that might throw a wrench in a certain fighters plans...you know that fighter who only fights once a year at most :blood
     
  4. IPitydaFo0l

    IPitydaFo0l ATG in the making Full Member

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    You were sayin?
     
  5. KnuckleUp99

    KnuckleUp99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm with you on this... Of course we all understand the positives about stricter testing and that it's the future for ALL sports. It shouldn't be a tool that some fighters use to hurt anther fighters rep, to stall or duck a fight and it has to be something that the commissions regulate across the board for all fighters.

    Don't get me wrong...if TWO fighters are in agreement and have no issues with the "added" requirments beyond the commissions control...GREAT! But it shouldn't be MANDATED by your opposition.
     
  6. IPitydaFo0l

    IPitydaFo0l ATG in the making Full Member

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    Exactly, there's a right way to do things and I honestly think that the way PBF's camp went about it was mainly to bring someone down.

    If he was genuinely concerned about cleaning up the sport, then how come he's not continuing this crusade full blast?

    I've always appreciated PBF and am far from a hater, I just wish he carried himself in a different way.
     
  7. joeboxer

    joeboxer Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It honestly doesn't go far enough. Marion Jones doped for years and never failed a test. They need to implement the biological passport that Tyson Gay adheres to voluntarily.
     
  8. eko718

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    There are forms of EPO undetectable by urine testing, if by 'effects' you meant it would be detectable.
     
  9. KnuckleUp99

    KnuckleUp99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You're not alone in this bro.....there have been A LOT of fans and even some very hardcore Floyd fans who can't find a way to justify his actions regarding this whole ordeal. But he still has a small group who feel that Floyd speaks the gospel and can do no wrong...no matter how many times he works against them.

    Floyd has NOT followed through with his original stance on wanting to "clean up the sport of boxing". Not that anyone really believed him, but he could have done things a bit smarter if he wanted to "sell" this whole "i care about boxing and the health of the fighters" bit.
     
  10. hofbrau

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  12. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Dude. Pro cyclists have figured out how to beat the Blood Passport system, aka the highest level of blood profiling in the WADA playbook.

    I'm not saying blood testing doesn't work, but when you run around screaming from tree tops for blood testing, you are clearly missing the big picture.
     
  13. Davew430

    Davew430 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    What the TS should of asked is...

    Forget Floyd's crazy none working type of blood testing...

    Do you endorse full blown Olympic style blood testing, all year around...

    Never mind "who is gonna' pay for this, who is gonna' pay for that", just imagine we live in a magical world where there is no charge for the blood testing all year round.

    Right, now is anybody answer's "no" to that, their tounge is too far up Manny's arse to see clearly
     
  14. Wicksy

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    I voted yes based on the principle I support increased procedures. However, the blood testing isn't as important as just having full random in and out of competition testing.

    Urine tests are also arguably better at catching most PEDs. Both should be asked for randomly. For EPO the blood test is mainly used to test for the blood cell % that could show use of EPO, the actual proof is in the Urine.

    You don't need to give much blood at all. A pin ***** amount is fine to be tested so the amount given in the test tube would have no detrement to performance no matter how close to the performance.

    EPO would be of benefit 14 days before the event and is easily a sufficient timeframe to increase red blood cell count. However, I guess you would be more likely to be caught since EPO would be more likely to still be present. EPO is just the hormone that increases the red cell count, you don't need EPO in the system to have the high blood cell count i.e. after the EPO is gone the benefit remains.

    It's not for sports people to request testing, its for the governing body.

    Essentially the drugs cheats will always be ahead of the testers as they have more money so you could argue "why bother" as some are, but that's a pretty sad argument. Plus at the moment with such weak proecedures it looks like Boxing almost encourages PED use.
     
  15. eko718

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    Olympic style blood testing should absolutely be a part of any combat sport. 'Floyd's... type of blood testing' is no different than OSDT, except that it obviously has to have a starting point, which would be at the initiation of training. It's not really possible to arrange true OSDT unless the commission gets involved.

    OSDT is not perfect, it can be circumvented, but it is far more thorough than that which is currently in place in boxing. Moreover, the RANDOMNESS of the testing is really the key. Even though at this juncture, to implement OSDT for a particular fight is imperfect, the randomness of the testing can discourage or interrupt certain types of abuse, though many abuses could still easily go uncaught.