Do You Endorse Blood Testing ?

Your thinking capacity is so limited that arguing with you is like arguing with a 14 year old kid.

I actually think it should be done. Check my previous posts numbnunts. What I have a problem with, backed up by Victor Conte's comments and explanations, is that what PBF proposes actually MEANS ABSOLUTE **** based on actual scientific evidence. Effectively, it is all dog and phony show. It lacks actual substance because his 8 weeks testing window up to the fight means ZERO.

IF the accussation is doping either through drugs or blood, blood testing for HGH and EPO means very little during the 8 weeks before camp - even if you test between rounds during fight night.

You are just so in love with PBF that you refuse to accept the scientific evidence that even Conte has explained several times.

For testing to be effective, it needs to be done throughout the year ESPECIALLY BETWEEN fights.

And URINE is by FAR the more effective (and more expensive) solution. While blood is not useless, the more useful purpose of blood testing is that you can freeze it and test it again in the future IF new and better methods are discovered.

Read up and pay attention next time.

 

Clarification?

 

What your saying makes sense and all, But Nobody has out right answered the question, if the man is clean why wont he sign the contract and agree to the test? I mean if you have Zero to hide, it shouldnt be a problem with you.....

 

So why would you think that every sophisticated drug testing program calls for urine and blood testing then? Obviously you are more knowledgable than those who devote their lives to researching such things, so could you tell me why this is included in these tests if it's not needed or necessary?

 

I am sorry kid you have been watching too much Jaun Manuel Marquez..... that statement kinda shows it dontcha think? Wait a second... Nevermind go ahead, drink it... its good for you....

 

Did blood testing catch marion jones?

 

its a waste of money and its not 100% effective and unless its in the offseason from fights then its not random.

 

Cost.
Many revert to blood because it is cheaper. Some tests can be done cheaper through blood and NOT because it is more effective. In fact the EPO tests done by urine is only starting to be replicated via blood. And as far as I know that is yet to be recognized as effective as the urine method by WADA, USADA or IOC.

 

Read all the posts before commenting. This was addressed. Thank you.

Edit: Refer to posts #128 and #138. Seems the 'pharma' student knew something about that after all...*shrugs*

 

case by case and I would endorse it if it's nescessary.

1. It's not nescessary to use blood testing to detect the presence of anabolic steroids.

2. It is not nescessary to use blood testing to detect the presence on any generation of synthetic erythropoetin hormone.

3. HGH....Pac needs to have his blood tested for this PED for now since it's the only accepted procedure. I do believe that what he offered from the beginning of random up to 24 days and right after the fight is sufficient since this drug does not give any benefits when taken in a short amount of time.

Keep in mind that using blood test to detect the presence of HGH has not been sufficiently proven by USADA. With over 4,000 samples, they have never caught anybody using this type of PED.

plus, I agree with what this man said.

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=194153

 

+1

 

NO! This reply is because you don't understand what your looking for. The blood sample is profiled for its cell count. There will be a higher ratio than normal indicating excessive EPO was used in the body. It doesn't matter what type of EPO is used the effect on the blood is the same. The blood is what carries the Oxygen (Air) to the parts of the body. EPO is just a trigger.

 

I think you are misunderstanding. The affect that natural vs synthetic EPO has on the creation of red blood cells does not differ...that's the point. What does differ, is the ability to detect it. Urine testing is intended to distinguish synthetic from naturally occurring erithropoyetin in the body. However, synthetic EPO has evolved to the point that there are those available which are nearly indistinguishable from naturally occurring EPO, making it difficult to differentiate natural from synthetic conclusively through urine testing.

You say 'This reply is because you don't understand what your looking for.' With all the different options on the market, with all the different masking agents, how could a tester EVER truly know what they are looking for? New measures are being taking frequently to circumvent testing procedures. There is way too broad a range to cover all bases.

I understand exactly what blood testing does. Blood testing in the context of EPO is moreso used to observe hematocrit levels. A tester however cannot automatically claim that high hematocrit levels are resultant from EPO abuse(although certain baselines have been established), it can only serve as an indicator of potential abuse. It makes sense to use blood testing along with urine testing simply because synthetic EPO can clear the system in 1 to 2 days. Changes to hematocrit levels however are more enduring. Is blood+urine testing fool proof? Absolutely not. Could a urine test independently detect EPO? Absolutely. It is arguably however, more thorough.

 

^^^^Additionally, blood doping obviously cannot be detected by urine testing; only by blood testing.

 

Why the obsession with blood? There are so many different types of testing. Hair follicle, saliva, breath, urine, blood, even sweat and semen can be tested.

Why don't we see these topics railing for these other testing types?

Because the entire reason for these threads is uneducated *****s posting from prison the gospel of their ******ed messiah.

Blood testing is the single riskiest type of test to perform, unless you are going after things like spinal fluids etc. Why would you demand this when urine testing will do absolutely everything you want?

The people who make these threads don't care about the sport. They care about Floyd's bull****. Just like Floyd. Why hasn't he volunteered for year round testing? Why aren't *****'s asking about year round testing?

Am I a fan of year round testing? Sure. That will actually accomplish something. Am I a fan of blood testing? No, because it will accomplish nothing - but will increase risk to fighters who are already risking their health often enough.