Do You Endorse Blood Testing ?

Can I make a respectful suggestion? Go back to school. Your lack of education is extremely evident.

A more sophisticated thinker than yourself would realise that the old "If you have nothing to hide, then you don't mind how we search" line of thought has been debunked thoroughly.

Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat - you would scream if this did not apply to you, yet you wish for it not to apply to others. Why? It is a fundamental human right.

 

@ Rushman. This has been done before and Pac fled for what reason? I'll let you be the judge. Pac has not agreed yet. So I guess when Pac is really ready to fight (taking a random blood test) then Floyd will fight him.

 

He said that ****? Bullocks. The urinalysis shows human epo with mark X X here on the test and rhepo X X over there. That's how you know its fake. If there was an issue like with a masking agent, it would come up with no marks, no X X so you'd know there's some bull**** going on.

 

Say what you want but Pac needs to take the test.

 

Information, by definition is repeated. If there is any parroting in my statements it doesn't come from cut and paste. Since you didn't understand the statement. I'll say this so it is clear.

Your position is that there exists synthetic EPO that is undetectable, therefore random blood testing is necessary in order to catch the cheat. State otherwise if this is not your position.

I simply pointed out that the effects of synthetic EPO can be checked for immediatly following a fight if in fact it were used as an add in the fight. There is no need for random testing during the training leading up to the fight since the effects of EPO use can be checked for immediately following the fight. If a masking agent is used then the agent will show up. If the EPO was washed then no natural EPO would show up. The sample will have been identified as being tanpered with. Thus the fighter would be admitting guilt. Of course no indicator is fool proof as in the article clip you posted.

Random is meant to be a deterrent not really to catch. An analogy of the application of usefulness of Random is like grabbing a handfull of hay from a hay stack hoping to find the needle. There are better ways to design testing.

On the freaking bottle label it states what the purpose of the drug is, it's prescribed usage and side effects. When the body produces chemicals, proteins, anti-bodies and the like, it does it more efficiently that we (man) can do by producing synthetic means. Besides man doesn't know what the fuk he's doing. Thus why the hell would a fighter with an expert nutritionist use this **** when there are many natural methods to choose from. If your going to argue about the need to have random blood testing in the sport to catch synthetic EPO users, find another drug because like I said this one is obsolete.

 

sometimes it's fun to see what they'll write next.

 

That is the whole point of the argument you moron!!!! You are hard set on blood testing up to the day of the fight. People have argued and showed prof that a cutoff period from 7 to 14 days was enough. That is when your self proclaim medical student ass said the blood test was needed because there are EPO effective if taken 7 days out prior to the event and even made the bold claim that the ideal time for EPO to work was 14 days. The blood test is the sticking point to this whole argument you moron. So how did I make it up when you are saying they need this blood test because there are EPO undetectable by urine testing.

 

See Rushman, it's all wasted. Right over his thick noggin. atsch

 

You need to stop sucking Rushman off and go find a girl.

 

Wrong. I didn't say that random blood testing is necessary in order to catch anything. Blood testing could support urinalysis in that measuring red blood cell percentage can indicate potential abuse.

Not necessarily. It just depends how close to the fight it was used. EPO can clear the system within 1 to 2 days, and it would likely be used well prior to 1 to 2 days before the fight.

I agree. In some cases, it will catch abuse however.

I didn't say that USADA testing should be implemented to catch EPO abuse. I agree that its greatest strength is in deterring PED abuse. Any drug testing can be circumvented.

 

According to him EPO is not a drug. Yet it is created in a lab and injected into a human body.

drug - Any chemical agent that affects the function of living things. Some, including antibiotics, stimulants, tranquilizers, antidepressants, analgesics, narcotics, and hormones, have generalized effects.



How can a medical student miss this? A Fake ass self proclaim medical student can.

 

See what I underlined. Your entire argument is base from them needing to do random blood testing on Pac because of EPO and its effectiveness in a very short period of use. The reason you mentioned EPO was because HGH and steroid will do no good in such a short period so you thought you could throw EPO out there.

If blood testing isn't any good then please explain your stance on wanting them to test till the fight night.

 

Well then, you are arguing for no reason; which makes all of this pretty pointless does it not?

If the blood test is the sticking point of this whole argument then it speaks to your lack of comprehension. Blood testing is not NEEDED to catch EPO(and I never said it was), nor will it solely detect EPO that urinalysis cannot.... though blood testing along with urinalysis can be more thorough in detecting EPO abuse, which is why OSDT utilizes it.

My argument was the CUTOFF. A 7-14 day cutoff is too broad a cutoff in that an athlete can benefit from the usage of EPO. This is factual and if you think it false, please present FACTS that say otherwise.

Random testing is the main strength of the testing procedure. Any cutoff, provides a window of abuse.

 

Here we go again. This kid is so ****ing dense.

The whole argument started from me asking you why a 14-7 days random blood test stoppage was not good enough. Do I need to quote you again?

My stance has never been against random testing but the cut off date for the blood testing. Urine testing will go on. You are the one who keeps on bringing up EPO. The EPO that they will use the urine test to detect.

Do you get it through your thick skull now? Blood testing stops 14 days or 7 days. Continued random urine testing. If you are still going to be spewing the blood test as being necessary till fight night then you better have some better excuse then EPO.

Also EPO is not a drug according to you. How can medical student say such blasphemy.

 

Its all synthetic EPO. Its not about the drug 'name' its about the chemical composition.