Do You Endorse Blood Testing ?

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  1. eko718

    eko718 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    :rofl Of course, 13 year old lobk from the eastside boxing forums has his own definition of a hormone. Since you obviously don't know what a hormone is, are avoiding the definition in front of you in favor of an incomplete description that does not encompass the medical definitions, and are ignoring the subsequent question, Let me AGAIN remind you.


    hor·mone 

    -noun 1. Biochemistry . any of various internally secreted compounds, as insulin or thyroxine, formed in endocrine glands, that affect the functions of specifically receptive organs or tissues when transported to them by the body fluids.

    2. Pharmacology .a synthetic substance used in medicine to act like such a compound when introduced into the body.

    3. Botany . Also called phytohormone. any of various plant compounds, as auxin or gibberellin, that control growth and differentiation of plant tissue.

    SOURCE: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hormone


    So, simple question. Is synthetic Human Growth Hormone a drug or a hormone????
     
  2. eko718

    eko718 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    So synthetic Human Growth Hormone is not a hormone? That's what your going with?
     
  3. acr347

    acr347 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    oxandalone/Deca/Test/Tren, steroids=drugs
    somatropin/, hgh= drugs
    hcg/ dunno the brands= drugs
    These are all synthetic hormones.
    PEDs are considered drugs by most. However, if you want to call it a hormone, potato, whatever.
     
  4. crimson

    crimson Boxing Addict banned

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    You do know that a drug can be a synthetic hormone right?

    I swear to go you must have 2 computers -
    one for Google (aka med school) and the other ESB.
     
  5. lobk

    lobk Original ESB Member Full Member

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    I've answered this so many time it. It is a drug.

    hGH is listed by the World Anti-Doping Agency and the International Olympic Committee as a performance enhancing drug barring athletes from using it.


    The world calls it a drug.



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  6. eko718

    eko718 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I said it earlier, so yes, I obviously know that.

    Similar to what I stated before;

    Synthetic EPO and HGH are drugs inasmuch as they alter normal body function. Synthetic EPO and HGH, are hormones inasmuch as it is used and created to ACT LIKE naturally occuring EPO in the body. It is all semantics.

    Yet this genius swore up and down that I was incorrect for referring to EPO as a hormone. Synthetic EPO is a hormone for the same reason synthetic HGH is a hormone.
     
  7. acr347

    acr347 Well-Known Member Full Member

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  8. eko718

    eko718 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Even in the face of facts you still argue the opposite. This is why there is no point speaking with you.

    Well, by definition since you won't take my word for it, a synthetic substance made to act as a hormone is also defined as a hormone.

    What I posted was the EXACT definition as shown on the site because contrary to your argument, there is more than one application for the word hormone. I'd figure you might ignore the definition as it pertained to botany, but well, I guess not.
     
  9. crimson

    crimson Boxing Addict banned

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  10. lobk

    lobk Original ESB Member Full Member

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    no you dense moron of a self proclaim medical student. You stated that EPO is not a drug. The use of the world EPO in the context of the arguement here makes it a drug. I asked you for a name of the drug. You keep on saying EPO. I asked for specific EPO. We all know that EPO is a synthetic, so instead of answering the question you are trying to twist the definition of EPO and now all of the sudden you are also adding HGH.

    lets get something straight. You made claimed that blood testing is needed to catch EPO. You claim that epo is effective if taken 7 days prior to an event and MOST EFFECTIVE 14 days out from an event. Oh, and that you are a medical student so you know what you are talking about. Since you made bold claims I asked you for specific. You have yet to answer anything .
     
  11. crimson

    crimson Boxing Addict banned

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    That is false.
     
  12. eko718

    eko718 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Really? Apparently, you missed what I posted earlier.

    Hormone

    <endocrinology> A naturally occuring substance secreted by specialised cells that affects the metabolism or behaviour of other cells possessing functional receptors for the hormone. Hormones may be hydrophilic, like insulin, in which case the receptors are on the cell surface or lipophilic, like the steroids, where the receptor can be intracellular. Some cancers may be stimulated and others inhibited by hormones (for example breast and prostate cancer). Some hormones can be synthesised and used as replacement in glandular deficiencies or as treatment for some cancers. Hormones may be injected, others taken by mouth. (29 Sep 1997)

    SOURCE: http://medical-dictionary.com/

    hor·mone&#8194;

    -noun 1. Biochemistry . any of various internally secreted compounds, as insulin or thyroxine, formed in endocrine glands, that affect the functions of specifically receptive organs or tissues when transported to them by the body fluids.

    2. Pharmacology .a synthetic substance used in medicine to act like such a compound when introduced into the body.

    3. Botany . Also called phytohormone. any of various plant compounds, as auxin or gibberellin, that control growth and differentiation of plant tissue.

    SOURCE: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hormone


    Listen fellas, its been fun but this is old about now.
     
  13. eko718

    eko718 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ok, Ok, Ok.... I get it. You are not trying to have a discussion, you are trying to be right. You ignore the posts that answer your questions and focus on the ones that favor your theory right? You intentionally misquote me because it provides you with an argument. I guess you want the last word too huh? It improves your life to feel that I am a 'self proclaimed medical student' right? I'm a 'moron', I'm 'dense' I'm an idiot I get it. Listen bro, you are free to have your opinion. It changes nothing in my reality. Your ideas stay in your head and affect your world not mine. Lets move on. This conversation is old.
     
  14. gooners!!

    gooners!! Boxing Junkie banned

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    Yes, as its become so prevalent in ALL sports these days. I never knew how rife PED were in sport.

    I have Donaire under suspicion at the min, that kid, physically, is operating on a different level to the rest of us,
     
  15. boxon123

    boxon123 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hands Up On ESB ! Do you know what OSDT Requires ?