Calzaghe Legacy Skyrockets Following Hopkins' Legendary Win Over Pascal

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  1. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    Kessler got double vision after the Ward fight.

    Yeah, it was a worse version of Kessler, but how much worse in comparison to how worse Ward beat him up? I'd say that balances the equation.



    Huh?
     
  2. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    Well said.
     
  3. zarman

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    Anyone who says otherwise is not thinking about it properly!

    1). Hopkins is the best name on Calzaghe's resume.

    2). Since their fight Hopkins has beaten his only decisive loss in his career (Clinton Mitchell doesn't count), undoubtedly the best MW and LWH at the time he fought them......

    ........sow how could it not? Hopkins made history and Calzaghe will forever be inter winded with Hopkins accomplices. Hopkins / Calzaghe are p4p ATG's.

    Where would Hopkins be on a GOAT list if he won a HW title? Believe!
     
  4. MichiganWarrior

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    Kessler is an ATG. P4P number 1. He is legally blind and still wins titles. :bbb
     
  5. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Unclear -- based on styles -- who was more past their prime. Calz relies more on speed, workrate and reflexes than Hopkins does, so it's not clear the older man was more "past it."

    Calzaghe won the fight 9-3. It was not a close fight. Hopkins was dominated from around the 4th round on.
     
  6. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes.

    This isn't very simple to understand, yet you see people struggling to "get it" or unwilling to accept it. It's unbelievable. Is it because Calzaghe is a Brit? Is it because he's white? It's amazing and sad at the same time, the illogical reactions of many posters here.
     
  7. PetethePrince

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    Who said Hopkins had to be Ali? What about the other countless examples you ignored previously?

    Judge:
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    112-115
    Judge: Adalaide Byrd 114-113
    Judge: Chuck Giampa 111-116

    Only one judged scored it 9-3. Yeah, I'd imagine the judging would be more unfair in Wales than in the US if that's what you're implying.

    Ah, I get it. You think Calzaghe is the better fighter, but Hopkins is the greater fighter. Got it, thanks. :good
     
  8. paulfv

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    Harold Lederman -- longtime boxing judge -- scored the fight 9-3 for Hopkins, same as I did.

    It was not a competitive fight after Round 3. There's just no way around that. Calzaghe spanked BHop after that.

    Calz came to the USA, with the USA judges, and got the clear win. Of course it's likely to be even more clear in Wales. You go from USA judges to possibly Brit/Welch ones. Byrd's scoring was a joke, an outlier.

    Hopkins may be greater. But Calzaghe is better, head to head. And probably always would have been.

    I love Hopkins, always have. Just telling it like it is here.
     
  9. tito44

    tito44 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No, it does nothing to his legacy at all.

    In saying that if the fight was earlier in Joe's career when it should have been and at 168, it would be much easier than it actually was. It is just a very bad matchup for Hopkins.
     
  10. purephase

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    Wait what?
     
  11. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree. Poor style matchup for Hopkins.
     
  12. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Lederman had the fight 9 rounds to 3, 116-111, same as I did. He was scoring the fight for the HBO telecast.
     
  13. PetethePrince

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    I like Calzaghe. I rooted for Calzaghe, I was a Calzaghe fan. We both have Italian ancestry. The logic seems to get passed Calzaghe fans. Is it because he's white? Probably not. A Brit? Probably. A deep rooted inferiority complex that forces them to bolster their British fighter's achievements. We get it... but the historians are going to be the ones to proper rate Hopkins ABOVE Calzaghe. Regardless of whether you like it or not, or think differently. I'm sure when the future comes and these updated rankings come out they will be belligerency about an American bias when their inflated view of Calzaghe doesn't match reality.

    The same applies to Holyfield above Bowe, Pep above Saddler, Moore above Burley, Chavez above Oscar, Duran above Benitez. The simpletons will never get it.
     
  14. PetethePrince

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    I see you're getting closer to reality. That's a good sign. :good

    You love Calzaghe more, and we all know that so stop with the bull****.

    Yeah, I forgot about the knockdown, so one judged did have it 9-3.

    A SD spanking, with many great posters thinking Hopkins actually won (Not me, but I respect their view unlike you). British Poster Popkins scored the fight for Calzaghe. Doesn't matter anyway, Hopkins record and achievements are far superior to Calzaghe. Just like it won't matter if Pac loses to Mayweather. As he already said "I achieved more in boxing, I don't need him he needs me." Pac will always be solidified above Mayweather in ATG ranking, unless Mayweather ends up beating Pac, Ortiz, and Martinez or something.
     
  15. MichiganWarrior

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    Nope. Its actually a great matchup for a prime Bernard Hopkins. Calzaghe is a sloppy fighter, that has massive defensive liabilities, confidence issues, and an amateurish style. He barely landed anything on Bernard Hopkins during the fight. If not for Hopkins age and stamina issues, he would have carried on the intensity he had in the early rounds and won the fight easily.

    Calzaghe's defensive lapses got him knocked down. If he fought a Hopkins who was faster, and had far more power in his youth, he'd have been destroyed. He barely beat an old Hopkins.


    Calzaghe struggled with David Starie, Robin Reid and the like. He wasnt on a prime B Hops level.