Why is Calz vs B-Hop considered "close"?

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  1. IrnBruMan

    IrnBruMan Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    There are also people out there who scored it a wide win to Calzaghe.

    Rather than relying on opinion and conjecture, we have to rely on the official scorecards as a starting point for a discussion such as this.
     
  2. compukiller

    compukiller Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You did not show the names of the fighters next to the scorecards. The way you wrote the sentence made it seem like all scores were in Calzaghe's favor.

    You are asking a question that is a matter of opinion, but discounting everyone's opinion when they post them.

    What are you looking for??
     
  3. doomeddisciple

    doomeddisciple Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think Calzaghe's style to be honest.

    TV viewers have a better seat than the judges and could see - Especially in the slo mo replays and endless gifs post fight how many of Joes shots missed.

    Bias undeinably is a reason also.
     
  4. compukiller

    compukiller Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    And also, many members of the press had Hopkins winning.
     
  5. bRoNeR**a**G

    bRoNeR**a**G Well-Known Member Full Member

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    True, they are the pros at that ****, but how many times do they **** it up? I mean thats why we make our own cards I think and have our own opinions on who won what, or what was close or wide. If we all relied on judges all the time, than Valuev and Holy was the right call too.
     
  6. 2ironmt

    2ironmt Boxing Addict Full Member

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    for those who have problems understanding: no. i was attacking your statement that you were basing your 'belief' upon sound 'logic' and facts by focusing on the judge's scorecards. i'm saying judges in general typically do not judge the fight any better than any semi knowledgeable fan. Thus, the judges' scorecards in this particular fight may well not be an actual and perfect reflection of what actually occured. by way of further explanation that is apparently necessary, i already stated that i based my opinion that the fight was close (and shitty) on what i observed based upon my understanding of how a fight is scored. I observed with my own eyes that neither man outlanded and otherwise outperformed the other in any type of meaningful way. I also guessed that many others who saw the fight as 'close' also had similar rationale for their observation and opinion
     
  7. IrnBruMan

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    You mean this sentence?

    Or this one?

    There is nothing misleading or ambiguous in what I wrote unless you didn't read it properly.

    As stated, I'm not seeking opinion, I'm seeking rational explanations as to why the fight was considered "close" or "controversial" based on the official result of the fight.
     
  8. elchivito

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    Your looking at it from only one side of the coin. Like I said, if we had a clearer set of rules on how a fight should be scored instead as to why 2 judges had a similar scorecard and the 3rd one didnt we wouldnt have these questionable decisions. Just because 2 judges have the same scorecard doesnt mean the 3rd one is wrong. Maybe the 2 were influenced by the late surge, high workrate, etc. you dont know I dont know. Hops landed cleaner punches Joe barrage after barrage. Ive seen fights where fighter A wins first 7-8 outta 12 rounds, but fighter B still wins the fight because he won the "championship" rounds which I think is hogwash. Ask the judges see what they tell you.
     
  9. IrnBruMan

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    :lol: Really?!?
     
  10. IrnBruMan

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    Now you're looking for things to bolster your opinion instead of simply being able to analyse the official result of the fight.
     
  11. Boxing Fanatic

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    hopkins didnt land a significant punch
     
  12. IrnBruMan

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    You make it sound as though everyone outside of the 3 judges scored it a draw or a win to Hopkins.

    Many people also scored it a wide points win to Calzaghe.

    As I said, rather than rely on opinion and conjecture we have to rely on the official scorecards otherwise we then start to pick and choose what we credit as being right and wrong which again comes down to personal opinion.
     
  13. pmfan

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    Hopkins didn't want to admit he lost so started the conspiracy theory that he had been jobbed. After the 3rd round, Joe had Hopkins figured out. No one ever did that to Hopkins. He's usually the one doing the figuring. Hopkjns was so befuddled that he pulled the crybaby thing in the 10th in the hopes of slowing Calzaghe's momentum. sorry but it didn't work. Joe was a great fighter and would have fought evenly with any great champion in his weight range. Of course, the same is true of BHop.
     
  14. IrnBruMan

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    So which of the 3 judges scores do you place no faith in?

    The one who scored it 116-111?

    The one who scored it 115-112?

    The one who scored it 113-114?

    All 3 of them?
     
  15. bRoNeR**a**G

    bRoNeR**a**G Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I agree many people had it wide either way, but people are gonna rely on their own opinion over the judges for the most part, cause they've seen many robberies.