Why is Calz vs B-Hop considered "close"?

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  1. TG1

    TG1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I found it hard to score a lot of Calzaghe's work because he was so innacurate and landed consistently with the inside of the glove.

    Hopkins landed all the professional and effective shots but Calzaghe prevented him from working enough with an enormous work rate. By the end I had Calzaghe up by one or two rounds but it was one of the worst fights I've ever had the displeasure of watching.

    None of that is my opinion incidentally - that is exactly what happened.
     
  2. IrnBruMan

    IrnBruMan Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    I'm circumventing nothing, I'm referring to the story told by the official scores, whereas you are the one posing 'what ifs'.

    This fight didn't have one card each way and one drawn, it had 2 cards emphatically Calzaghe's way and a 3rd with a single point differential, which, when further analysed, reveals the fact that that particular judge scored the remaining 11 rounds 6 to 5 in Calzaghe's favour.

    Therefore we can extrapolate that had the KD not occurred, that judge could only have either scored round 1 to Hopkins (making his card a draw) or to Calzaghe (making his card 7 rounds to 5 in Calzaghe's favour).

    If there had been 1 card each way and a drawn card then I would agree that it was a close fight, but this was not the case.

    You're talking about changing the existing scores to fit in with your definition of a close fight. Another 'what if' - why not refer to the actual scores instead of having to speculate in order to make it fit your opinion?

    Judges are in a better position and are more qualified to score fights than anyone posting here, including myself.
     
  3. TG1

    TG1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Whitaker vs. Chavez
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    Can someone make sure this bloke takes that comment back or is banned for life? This seriously must be Jerry Roth or Chuck Giampa?????
     
  4. onourway

    onourway Haye KTFO1 Wlad Full Member

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    People trying to claim Calzaghe only landed slaps need to watch the fight again.

    The punch that won Calzaghe the fight was the straight left, he landed lots of those and they were proper punches, not slaps.

    Calzaghe's straight left beat Hopkins straight right.
     
  5. IrnBruMan

    IrnBruMan Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    :patsch

    You're referring to straight out robberies, not fights where 2 judges scored it clearly to one fighter and the 3rd scored it to the other by a single point due to a KD.

    Seems all you clowns can do is try to discredit the judges by dramatically drawing comparisons with blatant robberies when this was not the case in the fight in question.
     
  6. Chappy112

    Chappy112 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    On the night I think I had it 115-112 Calzaghe. I saw a lot of people online saying Bhop won so I watched it again (exciting I know) and tried to give every possible round I could to Bhop and I just couldn't see how anyone could have him winning that fight and I'm a Bhop fan.
     
  7. Hitman-Fan

    Hitman-Fan Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It was close, I had Joe 2 points up. If you don't think it was close then you're an idiot
     
  8. Hitman-Fan

    Hitman-Fan Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ok IrnBruMan - who won the fight then????
     
  9. TG1

    TG1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Judges are in a better position and are more qualified to score fights than anyone posting here, including myself.

    This is what you said, right? One of the most ridiculous and contradictory statements in history. There have been a ton of fights where there was a huge disparity in scoring (See Hagler vs. Leonard).

    What has the knockdown got to do with it? Calzaghe vs. Hopkins was a terrible fight, lacked accurate clean punching and was difficult to score, so you had a scorecard that was out of whack with two others. Hot ****!

    You have a nerve calling anyone a clown after the **** you've been pulling:lol:
     
  10. lassec

    lassec New Member Full Member

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    I simply disagree with that, but let's for sake of argument take that stand. You could find official judges who had Hopkins winning the fight. The one ringside is one example. All thoose judges opinion can't be neglegted as being fans trying to advocate their fan fighter. And please don't make find fights where judges have been way of. There are a ton of robberies which suggest that boxing isn't a objective as you want it to be.

    Fact remains boxing is a subjective sport. Judges have different opinions an so do hardcore fans.
     
  11. Joe.Boxer

    Joe.Boxer Chinchecker Full Member

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    75-80% of fans & writers agree that Sugar Joe won the fight and the event.
     
  12. TG1

    TG1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Neither man won the event - it was complete gutter shite!
     
  13. trampie

    trampie Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The fight was not close, Calzaghe won easily on the scorecards, with two judges scoring it widely in Calzaghe's favour 116-111 and 115-112 the one judge that was totally out of sink was the notorious Adalaide Byrd who scored it 113-114 for Hopkins, her last fight was Pavlik v Lopez, Byrd scored it a draw 95-95, the other two judges scored the fight for Pavlik 99-91 and 98-92, I havent seen the fight but when I saw the scores I thought WTF ?

    The thread starter is correct to ask why is the fight considered close, the fight was not close on the official scorecards, Hopkins was nowhere near to winning the fight on the official scorecards, that last sentence maybe the best way of explaining it, Hopkins was nowhere near to winning the fight on the official scorecards, you need two judges to favour you to win a fight that go to the cards, two of the judges had Calzaghe winning quite easily, therefore Hopkins was nowhere near to winning that fight, it does not matter what I think or any readers of this thread think, the bottom line is the official result was not even close, Calzaghe was in no danger of losing the fight as two judges scored it in Calzaghes favour by quite a large margin, therefore why do some people thing that the official verdict was close, it was not, it was a realitively comfortable win for Joe Calzaghe.
     
  14. scot

    scot New Member Full Member

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    cause it was a close fight
     
  15. 46and0

    46and0 It's irrefutable. Full Member

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    It was a garbage fight, but a shot, blown-up, Glass Hands Joe Zaggers beat Hopkins in his home soil.