How good was Dempsey's title reign?

Excellent from Dempsey's point of view,he made an absolute fortune, and had a ball . .

 

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U, I appreciate your input. I try to be civil in all my debates ,because I don't like to demean any poster as life itself is hard enough. But I was"sandbagged"
by Klompton,when out of the blue he brings up an "event",that I posted on ESB when I joined the forum 2 years ago. This event was my "Bermuda Triangle" boxing mystery, never solved by me lo these many ,many years.
It was a boxing match that I saw in the 1950s,at the now long defunct Coney Island Veledrome in Brighton Beach, NY, the site where Jeffries fought Fitz,Tom Sharkey, and James J Corbett in 1899-1900. Even though quite young, I knew the history of this old open air Arena, as i passed this place many times previously,coming off the elevator train on my way to the famous Coney Island amusement center...
I ,and my pal [long deceased,who used to box in the navy],went to tha CIV
arena, sometimes in the 1950s, to see a meaningless match between Ray Robinson,and Bobby Dykes ,a long, lanky Floridian contender,who might have been a last minute substitute against Ray Robinson. Well after Robinson arrived about 30 minutes late,[I saw him arrive with his retinue in a Fuscia colored Caddy,and enter the arena],the crowd settled down and the bout started. I recall that my impression then was they,Robbie and Dykes had fought each other before. The bout was uneventful and Robinson won a decision from Dykes of whom I saw on TV box Robinson in Chicago in 1950.
A couple of years after this bout we witnessed I was surprised to not find this bout in my boxing record books. NADA. I mentioned this to my friend Earl who was with me at that fight and we were both stumped. All these years I
never found my answer to that missing fight. When I joined ESB about 18 months ago ,I posted this dilemma of mine on ESB,hoping to solve this minor mystery, but some posters graciously tried to help, to no avail. Well U I forgot all about it until yesterday when out of the "blue", Klomptom in response to our 'Dempsey title reign",discussions implied that I was either a damn liar,or an OLD senile fool,and was not to be trusted in any Dempsey discussions hereafter. His remark came out of nowhere, and so I am posting this info to you and ESB to clarify why I feel that the learned Klompton[and bright he is], sandbagged me with his denigrating and cutting remarks...
U, I know that I and a couple of thousands of other fans saw Robinson fight Bobby Dykes that night in the 1950s,for sure. My mystery may never be solved, but a "liar' or old fool I am NOT...Thanks U, and take care...:good

 

Well, your word is good enough for me, burt. It's obviously not some vague or distorted memory, too much clarity on too many details.
And besides, it's not the first time I've come across accounts of fights that never made it into the record books. It's another one in the win column for Sugar Ray, as far as I'm concerned. Until someone can prove otherwise.

Klompton knows his stuff, but like I said he seems to resent and disrespect the superior certain type of knowledge of those who saw great fighters in the flesh, and spoke about them from personal in-the-flesh experience. He has no way to compete with that, hence the low blow.


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It should be fairly easy to prove me wrong. Go ahead. Im waiting.

 

My honor is my proof...Why in hell would I lie about such an innocuous event? I saw that fight. Prove that I didn't see it ! There was another bout I saw those days not recorded in todays record book. Out of thousands of pro fights,unrecorded fights are bound to happen,and by sheer happenstance I
was at one..
It is not that you doubt my word that i saw that bout that angers me, but to ,from out of the blue on another thread[Dempsey's reign], try to diminish my opinion on the Dempsey subject ,implying that I am a liar,and "old" is
a scurrilous attempt to win your Dempsey opinion, using foul tactics, like saying, "by the way when did you get out of prison"...
You don't think much of Jack Dempsey ? Fine, that is your opinion. But when you imply I am a liar or a doddering old man , well U went too far !!!

 

Honor? I dont know you from Adam. You are just a name on an internet forum. For all I know you could be a 12 year old. Like I said, show me some proof that one of if not THE most famous fighter(s) in the world fought a fight against a top contender in New York and for some reason NOBODY covered it.

 

Maybe you were mistaken, perhaps you were intoxicated, perhaps a tout sold you a ticket saying it was Robinson when it wasn't, perhaps you remembered the names wrong. It happens. Then again perhaps it was just an exhibition, who knows

 

1 of his mandos Richard Frazier was a semi-pro and there maybe another semi-pro, as was Jersey Joe Walcott and Jim Braddock amongst others. I heard a story Burley caught a bus to work after beating Archie Moore Sadly I don't think its true

 

You are a piece of cake. If I had proof,would i have asked for ESB help 2 years ago, to solve this mystery.? Why in tarnation would I bring up this fight
not recorded in the record book on ESB if I HADN"T SEEN IT ? Why of all the possible bouts i could have picked would I fib about a Robinson/Dykes bout
to enhance my ego ? Who the heck today would know who Bobby Dykes was, for Pete's sake ? Why 55 or so years later would I post for help on ESB,to help me solve this ommission ? Nope K, U have a right to doubt that this fight took place , but to bring this subject up from nowhere,calling me a liar and
berift of my senses, was a rabbit punch, unfairly thrown....

 

unrecorded fights of great fighters have happened throughout history. i have read Jack Dempsey had more than 60 fights which are not credited to his record by Boxrec.. many fighters right up to the late 1980s claimed they had far more fights than they have been credited with. Marvin Hagler is one of the famous fighters who claim they fought more fights as do Carmen Basilio & Eddie Perkins.

 

That's Benny Leonard right?

 

burt was there. He saw the fight. And he's been saying so ever since he's been here - and I trust him when he says he's been querying the record since the 1950s.

For someone who (sometimes) purports to put so much value in supposed ringside and eyewitness accounts, your skepticism towards burt is odd - and it smacks of resentment and even a tint of spitefulness, IMO.
Or maybe not, in which case you're just a very strange character, carrying on in a very strange manner.
Whatever floats your boat, I guess.

 

Having another job besides boxing doesn't make you "not a professional boxer" or even just a "semi-pro" ..... it probably means you are a responsible adult.
And it's the norm, or at least it used to be.

Many "full-time" professionals are literally BUMS, layabouts and criminals when they can't get fights - that doesn't make them a notch more "professional" than the guy who holds down other jobs to pay his bills.

 

Maybe all the NY sportswriters were at an event honouring Jack Dempsey as "the greatest fighter of the half-century" that night !


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The timeline seems to match.

 

watching a boxing fight on cold-flat screen is a million light years away from sitting at ringside.. i seen Oliver McCall poleaxe Lennox Lewis from ringside at Wembley back in 1994 Lennox barely beat the count and fell into the referee's arms with glossy eyes, many at ringside was shouting,"Stop it, Stop it" as the referee waved it off. Lennox left the ring 5 mins later and had to be helped down the ringsteps by a couple of his handlers and was still glossy eyed as they passed by me. yet i read repeatedly on forums how many who was not at that fight claim Lewis was ok and could have continued, which is simply not true as he was in no condition to continue. yet Television coverage can give a false perspective of the actual truth of a prize fight and leave the viewer with the wrong impression of the events which unfolded.... also like klompton has indicated with Burt there are some who simply claim you to be a liar for attending Live`Boxing shows especially if being there contradicts their posts on the forum.