Jeffries v Tunney15rds

Which film of Corbett fighting gives you this opinion?

Corbett at 33 years old , having been retired for 2 years, kept Jeffries at bay for 22rds,and was in front till he was caught in the 23rd round.

Why could not a stonger, more durable ,prime Tunney do the same over 15 rds?

 

He was certainly in front after the first 15rds.:yep

 

How quick was Greb with film?

Corbett was coming out of a 2 year retirement ,without a warm up when he faced Jeffries ,and he had not won a fight in the last 6 years,hardly great form.

This is so obvious ,it would not be worth mentioning to a normal person.


You need film to make a comparison of speed between two fighters that is elemental.


Fitz fought from a static position, he was essentially a counter puncher ,he did not chase his opponent around ,seeking instead, to draw his leads ,and counter them.
He would make anyone look quick.

I haven't said Corbett wasn't quick ,I have asked you to justify saying he was quicker than Tunney and you haven't ,because you can't.

Corbett was the pioneer of speedy scientific boxing ,as far as the heavyweights go.

I believe and the majority of posters would agree, [I think ,] that Tunney improved on Corbett's ,somewhat rudimentary ,[ by today's standards ,]techniques.

Neither Fleischer, or Callis saw Corbett box in a fight ,so their opinions are no more valid than anyone else's.

You do not base your opinion on film alone?

Well that's good ,because there is no film of Corbett actually fighting that shows him to be faster than Tunney.

The extant film of Corbett does not give us an opportunity to form a conclusive comparison with Tunney, as far as speed is concerned .

I have been collecting films of fights since I was in my teens ,nearly 50 years ago , when it was mostly the old Black Hawk super 8mm ,you have no idea what footage I possess.

Corbett looks nimble playing around with Peter Courtney ,but he is doing just that, playing around.

I know all about the Tunney mock spar ,I was the one who first posted the link on here.

If Tracy Callis says something ,that means it is a given ,is that right?

How about this statement?

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Do you agree with it?


Here is the Mcoy /Corbett link you enthuse over.

Want to compare it with Tunney v Carpentier? Tunney Dempsey?

NO? I didn't think so.

You are right about one thing.

What I don't know about boxing would fill an ocean.

But then I have never put myself up as an historian/archivist,I am just a fan.

I do however possess one advantage over you ,I have actually boxed competitively.

My lack of knowledge has allways been acknowledged by me.

I have learnt a lot on this site, from numerous posters more versed in the noble art than myself.

I've even learned something from you, want to know what that is?

I've learned that a man's character ,and courage can be publicly,and irrevocably discredited for all and sundry to see , that man can be held up to all manner of ridicule and derision , by posters from all over the globe, that his credibilty can be shredded to pieces in plain sight ,and his ugly ,biased hatred be exposed before the whole forum,yet he still will have the gall to pontificate, and pretend to himself these humiliating things have not happened .

In this ,you have been an object lesson to me,one at my age I never expected to see

Were I in your shoes,[god forbid,] I would have crawled away and died with shame.
Have a nice day :hi:

 

Fleischer never saw Corbett fight.
He did however see Johnson fight several times, and travelled with him on occasion. Spot the difference?
From 1894 until 1903 Corbett won 1 fight a win over Kid McCoy, widely believed to have been a fake , he was kod 3 times, and would have been stopped in another if his seconds had not entered the ring ,automatically disqualifying him.

Most of your post makes no grammatical sense ,but that's not unusual ,as Tom Jones said.

You will spend the rest of your life regretting you ever encountered me ,and publicly swallowed your knob when I took up your challenge.Just remember the coward dies many deaths ,the brave man,only one.
Double standards,?

You give Fleischer's opinion on Corbett ,yet refute it on Johnson,that is not only illogical, it is downright nonsensical.
Go back to the drawing board, learn to construct a sentrence, to spell ,and to present an objective argument ,you silly dollop of ****.