Jones Jr-Calzaghe-Hopkins

what a load of garbage this is. first off, Calzaghe should come last in defence, reflexes, boxing skill, athleticism, and footwork. have you watched these fighters at all? nobody who walks into punches regularly and fight with the hand-eye coordination of a drunken ****** can be considered to have a good defense. as for his athleticism, is there anything more overrated about him? he had absolutely zero explosiveness.

and I ask what was the point of that post? is that how we judge boxers?

 

that koala bears climb trees because they are hungry :nut

 

At the time woods would have been ibf champ. Johnson top 5 contender. Tarver top 10 contender. Then a unification against the wbc champ in dawson which would be like a passing of the torch.

His lhw resume would then read hopkins, jones, woods, johnson, tarver, dawson. That would be a good way to clean out a classic division most certainly. Especially at his advanced age.

Whether joe could remain motivated and unbeaten against these guys remains to be seen but it's better than the alternatives: stay at a now cleaned up smw where only froch is worthy and that's debtable back then. Or retire and take coke.

I think he beats the guys I named and I think it does wonders for his legacy.

 

Correct. In a comparative with these two I place him third in every category. If he had fought them in their prime - at their best - he would be the most likely one to have been stopped. No doubt about it. And, that is a viewpoint after watching every round of his entire career. Simply does not have the athletic capability to avoid getting hit and his only strong points of stamina, workrate, and determination would be completely nullified if these fighters were in their prime years. Any attempt at mounting an offense would mean Joe walks into punches he couldn't see nor avoid. This wouldn't have been a flash knockdown by Salem or Mitchell - it would have been by superior athletes who would finish. In all likelihood these fights wouldn't have been all that close. I don't believe he could stay on his bike and survive either. His corner would throw in the towel because of the punishment he was taking or he'd get separated from his senses and KO'd. Joe was a good fighter who only fought lesser athletes or non-prime versions of three better athletes over fifteen years. His imagined excellence is really only a result of the weak pedestrian opposition he faced. When a lesser talent meets a greater one he discovers what it is like to be unable to prevent his opponent from dictating the fight. He never experienced that (because of his careful matchmaking) and wouldn't have had an answer to being in such a predicament. In every area and facet he would find himself outmaneuvered, out punched, out thought, and out talented. Bernard in his prime would have never allowed Joe to sustain his attack and would have simply beat Joe to the punch and been more physical resulting in Joe taking more and more damage. Roy in his prime would have simply been too quick for Joe to touch and too quick for Joe to avoid getting tagged by his very hard shots.


These constant and re-occurring thread topics are more appropriate for a "which name doesn't belong in this list" than any realistic comparison. Now, "Ottke-Calzaghe-Collins" would be sensible topic for comparison.

 

B-Hop was past his prime physically when he fought Taylor. People get fooled because he can steal fights with IQ. Any guy that can box and has a good work rate will beat a past his prime B-Hop. A prime B-Hop beats a prime JC. Prime RJJ was a freak, and neither a prime B-Hop or JC would have beaten Jones. So if we're talking prime, then it would have to be:

RJJ
B-Hop
JC

 

Your seriously saying Jones had a better chin than Calzaghe? :huh

 

:blood

I usually try to put up a decent argumentation, but sometimes I just don't know what to say. It is something about Calzaghe that just brings them out of the woodwork.

First off: Jones boxing skill is crap compared with both Hopkins and Calzaghe, which is why Jones started to lose badly once his prime left him.

And Calzaghe has reflexes like a bloody cat. He was vulnerable when going on the offence, but he displayed those reflexes in other situations.

 

This is a Calzaghe disliker in a nut shell. Such a perfect portrait. We talk about complete fantasy match ups, yet no questionmarks, or even shadow of doubt. It is so absolute sure that Joe would have lost that the outcome of the fights in the real world simply does not matter anymore. Posts like this are only in the shadow of threads trying to prove that Joe would have lost in a rematch against Hopkins, which of course, is above all doubts as well. Can anyone tell me what all this obsession is about?

Prime Jones would probably have stopped Joe. Hopkins would be a 50-50 in my book.

 

And Calzaghe has reflexes like a bloody cat.

































Get in the gym if it's not too late. Clearly rating athletes without any basis or familiarity isn't working out.




Calz is my favorite Welsh boxer (I've got Welsh family on one side). He is good. He's just not any more memorable than a bunch of comparable athletes - more or less. He can't move his head, he isn't elusive, he isn't exceptionally quick, he's not particularly agile, and he's not gifted with extraordinary athleticism. But, then again, perhaps it depends upon one's experience and own attribute set. You really slow and less than athletic? I don't mean in comparison with the guys in your town or city.

If you want me to defend Joe then denigrate him in a comparison with guys like Ottke, Collins, Reid, Kessler, Froch, Sheika, Pavlik, Starie, Abraham, Pemberton, Lacy, Taylor, Pascal, Miranda, etc., etc. and I'll rate him highly in certain areas and more highly than not ... try and elevate him over RJJ and BHOP and I'm afraid honesty dictates the truth be told .. not some kind of wishful thinking. "Cat-like reflexes" ... :rofl ... good one.

 

Roy Jones was a lot more then pure athleticism. There's a lot of freakishly athletic guys out there, but you don't see them winning world titles in boxing. Jones had a ton of skill. His problem later his career wasnt lack of skills, it was the fact that he couldn't pull the trigger and he couldn't take a punch anymore.

 

Except that Calzaghe beat Hopkins. He must surely have used some sort of skill set to do this.

Not THE prime Hopkins perhaps, but not so far off prime. Hopkins didnt need the money. He mustve thought he could take Calzaghe, and to be fair to him he nearly did. His skills and reflexes were still there.

It wasnt exactly prime Calzaghe either.

Im no fanboy of Calzaghe. He wasted many of his middle years as a fighter. It hurts his legacy to this day.

 

Calzaghe bobbed and weaved , Calzaghe was very elusive considering he was attacking all the time, Calzaghe was quick, Calzaghe had extraordinary athleticism.

Calzaghe had supreme attributes for a boxer, Calzaghe was virtually unbeatable as an amateur, Calzaghe was unbeaten as a pro and he never came close to losing either in the pro ranks {46 fights and 46 wins, most at championship level}.

Calzaghe's had many attributes including speed, ringcraft and determination, Calzaghe was every inch a boxer both mentally and physically , Calzaghe was a great athlete of the very highest order, Calzaghe never tanked in a fight, Calzaghe would throw a thouand punches in a fight and not tire, the man was one of the greatest athletic boxers ever.