Wlad&Haye versus the ATG's (in Boxing News special)

I've seen him fight! For such a small guy he was lumbering and flat footed. He wouldn't be top 20 today. A shot Shannon Briggs or Hasim Rahman would have him out of there in the early rounds

edit; Never mind David Haye!

 

I'm not saying you haven't seen him fight, I'm saying your analysis is all over the shop.

Big Khan fan ain't you? Says it all really, Haye is technically abysmal, a sloppy finisher and, whilst he has a respectable dig, his power is massively overrated.

He wouldn't do as good a job on Schmeling or Carnera as Baer did. Baer was awkward, had a good chin, and had savage power. He'd bumrush Haye and stop him, early.

 

I think you'll find it was about 23 seconds where you say he looked "absolutely superb". Then Ruiz hit the deck and Haye went spastic.

To be fair, Dempsey barely missed a punch after the first KD - (Haye missed several as follow ups on Ruiz) - Dempsey was connecting hard punches flush on the jaw. It's hard to have your style look pretty when you're savaging a 250 pound man who floundering across the ring though.

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So Haye is technically abysmal but Baer is awkward? That's a convenient distinction. A more modern fighter with a big punch, good chin but no movement and low punch output is Arthur Abraham. The difference is Abraham keeps his hands up. Baer was a stationary target with no guard. Haye would circle him and tee off at will. There's only so long a fighter even with a good chin can stand up to someone who hits as hard as Haye

I agree Haye isn't a good finisher, but which fights has Haye badly hurt his opponent and then failed to stop him?

I can't see Baer bumrushing Haye and stopping him early. I think you're drifting into the realms of fantasy there

 

The real fantasy is having Haye fight and beat "live" young fit heavyweights, like a 24 year old prime Max Baer or anyone like that.

 

I agree McGrain. Haye actually looked amazing at the start of the fight against Old Ruiz, but when he gets his man hurt he sadly becomes a sloppy caveman.

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Haye is an awful, awful finisher. He's Valero-esque when it comes to stopping his man.

McGrain; re: Dempsey/Haye; As you're more than aware of, Haye, with the gloves he wears, should be able to throw more fully-formed shots. Dempsey pulls that off with 4oz gloves, which is more impressive IMO, if you get what I'm saying?

 

Like John 'The Feather Fist' Ruiz, who Haye twatted round the back of the head numerous times and took round upon round to stop him after hurting him early? Baer forced Louis into an exchange by rushing him, Hayes footwork/movement is an illusion, I stand by my claim that Baer would steam into him and take him out, he's the more proven Heavy in every way.

 

Haye-Baer would be like Froch-Abraham, except Haye would put his smaller opponent away

 

atsch

They're both 6'2, for the Audley fight Haye weighed 210. Baers best weight was between 200-210.

Log out.

 

Ruiz finished the fight with a broken jaw, nose and I think eye socket/cheek bone. He absorbed a lot of punishment, more a credit to Ruiz than an indication Haye can't finish opponents off

As for Baer rushing Louis, bull****. You made me watch it again, and what I saw was Baer throwing a flurry once a round against an opponent who stood in his face round after round beating him to a bloody pulp. Haye would not stand in front of Baer like Louis did, they are completely different fighters. Haye circles and throws combinations here and there, but doesn't stand inside trading with opponents

I also noticed Louis landing practically every punch he threw. Where is Baer's defence? Obviously Haye isn't the fighter Louis was, but he has a lot of speed and power. There's no way Baer can last a fight soaking up the shots Haye would be landing

He is the more proven heavyweight but he has the advantage of already finishing his career. I expect Haye's career will be over very soon too so perhaps it's irrelevant, but going by what I've seen of both fighters I give Baer very little chance of beating David Haye or practically any post Ali era world class heavyweight

 

I stopped reading after this one. What sort of imbecile believes a caveman like Johnson could beat Wlad on points under modern rules. atsch

Does the writer even realise that Wlad doesn't lose rounds to superior fighters today never mind fights.

 

Monte Barrett got close to Haye. Mormeck dropped him. Haye would not take Baers right hand :deal