Holyfield On Tyson

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  1. Azzer85

    Azzer85 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Most people have read this before, i found it, it was posted a few months back

    I tend to agree with most of what he said

    JENNA: Evander now you mentioned Tyson a few moments ago. You had a lot of people doubting you before that first bout the way they sort of doubt you now. Can you tell us how you felt about facing Tyson back when everyone thought you were going to be an easy match for him?

    HOLYFIELD: With Tyson, we had known each other since back in the amateurs. He was the best at heavyweight and I was the best at light-heavy and I knew eventually we would fight. Even in the beginning, the respect that I had for him, I watched each and every one of his professional fights. I knew that this guy was the guy that I was going to have to beat because he was just that good. I truly thought he was a lot better than people gave him credit for because people said he was just a brawler, but he fought the perfect fight for his style and his build. He had shorter arms, but he was short. If you have short arms you have to fight aggressive. You have to fight that type of fight to win and he was able to do that, but because I did my homework, I watched him, looking for where he’d be vulnerable and which area he’d be vulnerable in. As you can see when a person has that punching power and all of that and was aggressive, because Tyson used to fight very hard but once the reputation started beating the people before they got in the ring, he didn’t have to fight that hard. I realized that when he fought me that I was going to be able to take those shots and could he fight like hard like he used to fight hard like that. Life is not about what you’ve done, it’s about what you’ve done today, and he didn’t have a lot of fights that made him have to be in great shape like that. When he fought me, we fought each and every round pretty hard. I won of course on a condition standpoint.

    JENNA: When you did fight him it was actually the third time that fight had been set up. You had it set up for ’91. It didn’t happen obviously, and it had a chance of happening if he won a fight with Buster Douglas and you were at ringside for that. I was just curious what were your thoughts when you were sitting ringside for what some people say was the biggest upset in heavyweight history?

    HOLYFIELD: That fight kind of reminded me when you take people for granted. Buster Douglas was a very good fighter. He wasn’t a slouch and it’s not like Tyson was fighting somebody that he was bigger than. He was fighting a guy who was bigger than him with a longer reach who usually knocked people down with good jabs. So everything that people just allowed him to believe, this just wasn’t a match and I just remember people talking about how many seconds was going to last, and unfortunately this guy came to fight that night. He was very skillful and he was hitting Tyson with the jab, and combinations, and all of that, and he was able to win. So with me, it didn’t bother me because I didn’t lose my opportunity. My goal was always to be the heavyweight champion of the world. It wasn’t built on beating Mike Tyson. If I fought Mike Tyson it’s one thing, but if I didn’t have to fight him my goal was to become heavyweight champion of the world.

    JENNA: Evander, when you did have that fight scheduled with him originally in 1991, do you think it would have played out any differently than it did five years later if you fought him more towards his prime?

    HOLYFIELD: I don’t know, but I’m just thankful that it played out the way it did in ’96. In ’91 I was a good fighter. I was undefeated. I had never been beaten and I don’t think my energy was any different. I probably would have fought a little bit more aggressively, but I was fortunate enough to fight him in 1996 and I was able to get the job done.


    Whole interview
    http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=26346&more=1
     
  2. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    Almost sounds like he knew how fortunate he was to fight Mike in '96.
     
  3. Azzer85

    Azzer85 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He amkes some very interesting points

    Especially about Tysons rep, once it started growing, he started training less whcih lead to Tokyo

    He basically admits that Tyson is/was a great fighter, regardless of what people say.

    He obviously looked upto Tyson because he knew Mike was the man to beat

    Interesting comment that he only won in 1996 due to condition standpoint and was wondering if Mike could fight hard like he used to (pre prison)

    Very good information, straight from the horses mouth.

    He also says he didnt know how a fight in 1991 would have gone and admits he was more aggressive then (which would have played right into Tysons hands)
     
  4. Azzer85

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    Evander also makes some nice comments here on this video 04:15

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkkMuy3NQZM&feature=related[/ame]
     
  5. thistle1

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    Tyson before the fall, was arguably the most deadliest HW in history!

    After his turn around it was proved most the greats could and would have beaten him, but likewise he could have crushed them too!
     
  6. Azzer85

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    He is underrated alot nowadays

    But as Holyfields comment above show, Tyson was a genuine ATG
     
  7. Sangria

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    I remember that BEYOND THE GLORY episode and Holyfield stating that Tyson worked harder than anybody and everybody else.

    I want to learn more about their one and only epic sparring battle.
     
  8. Imperial1

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    It's always a pleasure to hear on legend compliment another legend ..Awsome stuff brotha !
     
  9. lefthook31

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    "I probably would have fought a little bit more aggressively"

    No **** Evander...

    What Holyfield is really saying is he would have probably fought like a ding dong in 91 and wound up getting beat.
     
  10. Brit Sillynanny

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    Yeah, but it is SO hard to reconcile the things he said with those more educated ring opinions promulgated by certain ESB posters. It is just SOOOOO confusing ...


    Certainly the
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    version of Mike (or Mike in his very best form) [or Evander for that matter] could and probably would have lost to a guy who got dropped repeatedly and stopped in two rounds by 37 year old Corrie Killer (aka Donut Man) Sanders or got hammered by hard toughman level punches from Sweet Pugilist Sam Peter (before narrowly edging him) or was stopped by Lamon Bazooka Gloves Brewster or to another guy who got dropped at the end of the first round (as he retreated in a flailing panic) by a 38 year old Corrie Sanders or while prime - got hammered and stopped by a nearly 38 year old Lennox Lewis who was in dismal condition.

    The heavyweight division has obviously not been in a long downtrend and the athletes competing are really really good if not better than ever. Yep, beating the guys in the current heavyweight division and era is absolute proof of being an incredible talent. You would have to be amazing to beat the top notch players in this division. Being larger and better conditioned wouldn't be enough. You have to have all time great skills too. If all it took was size this era could have a 7' champion with no skills ..... but you'd never see that ... oh wait... ... uhhh ... In this era of even larger athletes - than ever before - if this was a really bad era you would see ex-middleweights, ex-light-heavy's and ex-cruisers moving up and you don't see ... oh wait .... uhh .. If this was a really bad era you would see really old heavyweights that didn't have incredible size advantages fighting until they were really really old due to a lack of young upcoming challengers pursuing the sport and ... oh wait .... hmmm
     
  11. Azzer85

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    Tyson would wipe the floor with todays heavyweights and that includes Haye, Adamek and the 2 Tits

    Theyre overrated so much its unbelivable.
     
  12. Azzer85

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    The funny thing is, you state that everytime there is a Holyfield Vs Tyson thread


    and nobody ever listens and here it is, straight from the horses mouth
     
  13. Unforgiven

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    Well, actually Holyfield never said he thinks he'd LOSE to Tyson. That's just lefthook putting some heavy spin on it, drawing his own conclusions and saying that's what Holyfield meant.

    What Holyfield says is :
    I don’t know, but I’m just thankful that it played out the way it did in ’96. In ’91 I was a good fighter. I was undefeated. I had never been beaten and I don’t think my energy was any different. I probably would have fought a little bit more aggressively, but I was fortunate enough to fight him in 1996 and I was able to get the job done.

    In other words - he's glad he got the opportunity to fight him, and he's glad he won. He DOESN'T KNOW what would have happened in '91, but thinks he probably would have fought more aggressively, and he was a damn good fighter in '91 .... that's what he's saying. Nothing more, nothing less.

    As for ignoring the horse's mouth, Tyson has stated categorically that he wouldn't have ever won the title again had he never gone to jail in '92. He stated categorically that he lost heart after the Ruddock fights, and implies he would have been unsuccessful in a challenge for the title at that time.

    lefthook's points are valid and well-informed, even if I don't quite agree. He might well be right, not that there's any absolute truth here to be discovered. It can never be more than speculation on alternative realities.

    But it's silly to put words into Holyfield's mouth or make out he's saying more than he is.

    :good
     
  14. lefthook31

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    Yes Unforgiven thats my opinion. I certainly dont think Evander thinks he would lose, but Im sure he thinks and is implying he fought a "smarter" fight in 96 approaching a fighter like Tyson, and I think his 91 fights are proof of that. He still has the wins over Tyson regardless of that.
     
  15. Danny

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    Holyfield admits he would have fought more aggressively back in 1991 & I think that would have been to Tyson's advantage.

    Holyfield had Tyson's number in 1996/1997, but Tyson was a very different fighter five years previously. I still maintain Tyson beats Holyfield had they fought in 1991!