Why Henry Armstrong is BETTER than Pacquiao!

Teddy Atlas: 1+ 1= 2

Marshmallows: Wow Atlas is a genius!

 

the article states facts but it is very annoying how the author repeat over and over the same thing

 

Armstrong is definitely greater assuming pac retires tomorrow. He was an even smaller welterweight and absolutely dominated the welterweight scene whilst weighing about 135.

That being said pac hasn't finished yet so these conversations are a bit premature.

 

To start off, look at his record. These are fighters who were rated, at one time or another (but mostly at the time Armstrong beaten them) in the RING's top ten. Featured in bold are Hall of Famers:

Frankie Covelli
Varias Milling (x2)
Bobby Levyas
Juan Zurita (x2)
Mike Belloise (x3)
Rodolfo Casanova
Tony Chavez (x2)
Moon Mullins
Aldo Spoldi (x4)
Frankie Klick
Ritchie Fontaine (x2)
Lew Massey
Enrique Venturi
Pete DeGrasse
Petey Sarron
Billy Beauhuld
Frankie Castillo
Everett Rightmire
Lew Feldman (x2)
Ceferino Garcia (x2)
Al Manfredo (x2)
Bobby Pacho (x2)
Davey Day
Ernie Roderick
Jimmy Garrison (x4)
Paul Junior (x2)
Joe Ghnouly
Ralph Zannelli (x3)
Sheik Rangel
Leo Rodak
Jimmy McDaniels
Tippy Larkin
Maxie Shapiro
Willie Joyce (x2)
Frankie Wills
John Thomas
Saverio Turiello (x3)
Al Davis


Midget Wolgast
Baby Arizmendi (x3)
Benny Bass
Chalky Wright
Barney Ross
Lou Ambers
Lew Jenkins (x2)
Fritzie Zivic
Sammy Angott
Pedro Montanez

Armstrong beat as many 'name' opponents as Joe Louis had opponents. And he beat them 73 times.

In a three year period from '37 to '40, Armstrong had 61 fights.

He won 59... 51 by knockout. 37 of these didn't even reach the end of the fourth round.

And we're talking about top notch opposition here - Armstrong was already well into his career by the time he reached his stride and he was fighting good boxers every other week.

He wasn't filling his record with first round knockouts of taxi drivers. Armstrong was butchering the best in three good divisions.

The only two he didn't win in this period were controversial - against Lou Ambers he had several rounds taken away for seemingly legal body punches which were deemed low. Many also think he deserved the win against the heavier Ceferino Garcia, which ended in a draw.

Despite being at his best between 126 and 130lbs, Armstrong defended his welterweight title a record 18 times. 11 of those were fought in 1939 alone. He'd fought 14 times in 1938 already, and 27 times in 1937. He fought at the top level from 01/01 until 12/12 that year and won 26 of them by knockout. Aldo Spoldi, the lone survivor, would later be knocked out by Armstrong in three subsquent meetings.

He also made a defence of the lightweight title, smashing Lew Feldman in one round, before losing it questionably to Ambers.
In winning the featherweight title previously, Armstrong had steamrolled Petey Sarron for the first and only time in Sarron's career.

 

He didn't butcher Ceferino Bolo punch Garcia. A legend in Filo boxing. :bbb

 

mARshmallows blackass gay, floydnuthugger:rofl:rofl:rofl

 

If he had, he'd have had an argument for goat. Same for pac if he cleans up welter and butchers martinez.

 

Armstrong didn't do catch weights and he beat the top contenders of his day. That draw for the middleweight title was one of the worse decisions at that time. Armstrong clearly won.

 

actually, Henry Armstrong did fight at a catchweight during his career.

 

ignorance. Henry Armstrong fought at a catchweight against Lew Jenkins.

 

I think its a bit disrespectfull to discredit henry armstrong who is ranked highly by almost everyone in boxing. Cant we just accept that pacquiao is a modern day version of this man which is a great compliment considering how boxing changed over that period of time.

 

Armstrong held 3 division titles in a one-year period, that's true. But he only had two fights at lightweight against the same guy, first winning the belt from him and then losing it a year later.

 

It's not disrespectful to subject the old-time greats to the same microscope that is being used to discredit the achievements of modern-day fighters vis-a-vis the old-timers.

We accept it for granted that:

1. Hank Armstrong dominated three divisions. He actually only had two fights at lightweight throughout his career - a win and a loss to the same person within a one-year period.

2. He defended his WW belt more than 75 times. But most of his opponents sported a >25% loss ratio. Can you imagine a similar boxer with such a loss ratio being given a chance to challenge for a title?

3. That Armstrong constantly had to fight larger opponents. In fact, he was never outweighed by more than 12 pounds during fight night, even when challenging for the MW title against Ceferino Garcia.

Unless we shake off the nostalgic bias against modern-day fighters, we will never really be able to objectively assess their rightful places in history.

 

And forever !

 

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''Garcia nailed me with his bolo punch'' Armstrong was quoted as saying after his bout with Garcia.

''The blow dazed me for a few seconds''. ''But I was never hurt so bad where I didn't know what I was doing''
:bbb