*How close in Percentage-Terms was Tyson to PEAK/BEST when he KTFO by Bummy Douglas?*

Now i know your talking ****

Tyson himself admitted he hadnt trained for a couple of fights before the Douglas fight. He said he had already beaten a guy who had beaten Douglas.

When your undefeated, undisputed heavyweight champion of the world and your sparring partner drops you on your ass, then your obviously not training right.

 

Joe Louis and Muhammad Ali came into some of their defences injured, undertrained, distracted, unmotivated etc. against decent challengers who were really up for the fight .... and they still won.
That's what makes truly great fighters.
Alternatively, a guy like Marciano was always close to 100% because he knew he needed to be. And he never lost a fight.

 

Tyson was as well prepared as he had been for most of his title fights. tyson was motivated to kick ass, the head movement was there in the first round, douglas's succsess distracted him and he ran out of ideas. The more times he got hit the more he paused for thought and became more ordinary. had he came up against the same resisitance for any other fight up until that point Tyson would have looked the same. He wasnt used to being in deep water.

 

Tyson needed to be that way too, when your a small guy in a big division, you cannot afford to rest on your laurels

 

This is a good article from a few days before the Douglas fight :

[url]http://www.nytimes.com/1990/02/06/sports/sports-of-the-times-is-tyson-sabotaging-himself.html[/url]

 

Exactly. :good

 

Of course Tyson was well prepared. Thats why his cornermen had to use a condom on his eye right?

He was there to collect a paycheck, bang some Japanese bitches and go home. He most likely forgot that he had a fight that night too.

The more times he got hit the more times he paused? By round 9-10-11 there must have been very long pauses then. Well actually there wasnt the last time i watched the fight.It was a fast paced fight.

To me the fight showed, one small lazy guy throwing sloppy punches against a big strong guy who seemed to be fighting a punchbag. If i had never heard of or ever seen Tyson before, i would still say that small dude in black shorts hasnt been training very well, he looks slow and lazy.

 

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IS TYSON SABOTAGING HIMSELF ?
BY Dave Anderson

NY Times. Feb 6 1990

For nearly two years, ever since Mike Tyson began creating more headlines outside the ring than in it, the undisputed, undefeated and undignified world heavyweight champion has emerged as his own most dangerous opponent. Considering his competition, the only person who can beat Tyson is Tyson himself. By not training. By not caring. By not surrounding himself with experienced cornermen.
Chances are, Tyson will quickly swat James (Buster) Douglas into submission Sunday in Tokyo (Saturday night on Home Box Office cable television here). Since shadow boxing isn't enough for even Tyson to attract a multimillion dollar guarantee in the Tokyo Dome, the 29-year-old Douglas has been specifically exported to Japan for the occasion by Don King, the nasal and noisy promoter.
Even so, reports from Tokyo of Tyson's training are enough to question if the champion is sabotaging his own reign. While sparring with Greg Page two weeks ago, he was floored by a right hand. Over the weekend he was described as ''sluggish'' in another sparring session.

Halfway around the world from Tokyo his estranged manager, Bill Cayton, and his former trainer, Kevin Rooney, were quick to minimize Tyson's potential problems. Tyson, after all, has a 37-0 record with 33 knockouts.
Douglas is the International Boxing Federation's No. 2-ranked challenger despite an uninspiring 29-4-1 record. His most notable triumph is a seventh-round knockout of Trevor Berbick in 1988, two years after the onetime World Boxing Council champion had been dethroned by Tyson in two rounds.
''I'm not really concerned by the knockdown and the sluggish workouts, by all rights Mike should take Douglas out within two rounds,''
Rooney said. ''But it shows you Mike's got a bunch of amateurs around him.''
Ever since Tyson discharged Rooney, his trainers have been Jay Bright and Aaron Snowell, both relatively inexperienced. In his two fights with Bright and Snowell in his corner, Tyson's punch prevailed: in the fifth round against Frank Bruno, in the first round against Carl (the Truth) Williams. But if Tyson were to need advice in a prolonged brawl, he might miss Rooney's expertise.


''Mike's calling all the shots,'' Rooney said. ''He doesn't respect Bright or Snowell or Don King. He just wants to be paid. He's slowly been slipping. He's losing his interest.'' At 6 feet 4 inches and an expected 225 pounds, Douglas is much taller than Tyson, although the 5-foot-11-inch champion has always chopped down taller opponents as if he were swinging an ax instead of his fists. But what annoys Rooney are reports that Tyson weighs 227.
''I always wanted him at 216, 217,'' Rooney said. ''That way I knew he was using his discipline to deny himself.''
Cayton, whose contract with the champion expires early in 1992, didn't sound worried about Tyson retaining the title.
''Mike has been knocked down in training by Oliver McCall, he has been knocked down by Mike Williams,'' Cayton said. ''The knockdown doesn't mean anything. Many times Mike will train seriously or go through the motions. He's always had a certain amount of problems in training. In other years he was supervised by two ultimate professionals, Kevin Rooney and Steve Lott, but because of the skills Cus D'Amato embedded in him, even in the hands of utmost amateurs, when the bell rings, he'll be Mike Tyson.''

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Cayton assessed Douglas as ''having a very good straight left and a style that could bother Mike for a few rounds,'' perhaps as many as six rounds.
''Douglas has a reputation for never having trained very hard,'' Cayton said. ''But a well-trained Douglas could well be a different opponent.''
Another different opponent, much different, would be Hulk Hogan, the theatrical wrestler. In his flair for the farce, Don King is floating a trial balloon featuring Tyson and Hulk in a projected $50 million extravaganza sometime after the champion's next scheduled title defense against Evander Holyfield on June 18 in Atlantic City.
Muhammad Ali, remember, collected $6 million in 1976 for appearing with a Japanese wrestler, Antonio Inoki, in Tokyo. Sprawled on the canvas virtually throughout their ''draw,'' Inoki kicked at Ali, who suffered ruptured blood vessels in his legs.
''For Mike to fight a wrestler,'' Cayton snapped, ''is beneath the dignity of a champion. Ali had a different personality. Ali could make anything seem like fun. But while I would register an objection to Mike fighting a wrestler, the basic element is money. If it comes to that, if the public is willing to pay for it, well, maybe.''
And if it comes to that, it will only be added proof that in boxing today nothing is beneath the dignity of the dollar.

 

Thats taken from his autobiography by Peter Heller, i was gonna type it up but couldnt be arsed :good

 

THATS the fight, people really missed out on.

Tyson Vs Hogan. :hey

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Prime Hulk Hogan

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That's one of the gayest things I've ever seen.
Shocking.

 

exactly proving my point. undertrained fighters cant do no fast paced fight!

 

He trained harder than he did for Tucker? Really, were you there?

 

Tyson trained for the fight, plus he was a fairly active fighter who was the undisputed champion. Thats what kept him upright, but he didnt prepare like a champion should for a championship fight.