How can anybody say Floyd never wanted Pacquiao Warning common sense here

i do believe that floyd has the right to ask for extra testing just like he can ask for the fight to be held on the moon. pac also has the right to refuse it since it is not required by any other boxer who fights in the same organizations and for the same recognition that all the thousands of other boxers do.
i cant say that floyd doesnt want the fight. i can say that he doesnt want the fight right now. i dont know if he is working a plan to build this fight to its maximum exposure or he is just waiting for a more favorable situation to get in the ring. fact is, both arum and pac have publicly stated that their team is ready to take all the tests and floyd has made no attemp to call them out on it or to initiate negotiations. its not that hard to figure out.

 

19 pages......sweet

 

No, it shows that he may have wanted the fight at one point, but that ship has sailed. He's showed ZERO interest in the fight since that time (nearly 2 years now). All we hear is excuses and blame shifting.

If Floyd wanted this fight it would have happened already. We wouldnt be hearing a million different excuses about drug tests, vacations, lack of urge, the list goes on. The fact that you have to cling onto something that went down 2 years ago just shows how desperate and naive you are. People only care about what's happening right now. Floyd is, and has been obviously ducking the fight, and it's not the first time he's done it.

 

Because there is evidence to suggest Floyd once wanted this fight, you argue that he still wants it now? That's a flawed argument. Things change. Floyd's actions make clear he no longer wants this fight. When Pac was a low threat, high $ reward fighter, Floyd was very eager to get him in the ring. Even after Hatton, Floyd was still confident he could easily take care of the midget. Floyd's experience had shown that his speed and countering accuracy were effective in discouraging smaller opponents.

It was only after the Cotto fight where Floyd was crying, "It's not cool to take punishment!" After seeing that Pac's chin was durable enough to handle big shots from a strong welterweight, Floyd's assessment of the risk changed. Floyd knows that his arm punches aren't going to be able to deter Manny's aggression.

Floyd isn't worried about getting in the ring with a dirty fighter. He is terrified that Manny is clean.

 

As long as we keep out the name calling, it won't be insulting.

Anyway, back to the topic.

To the question, did Floyd's demand stop the fight with Pacquiao?

Your answer is no. Pointing out that it was Pac's refusal to take the test that ended the negotiations.

My answer to that is this, Pac's refusal is a product of Floyd's demand. Cause and effect. The root of this impass and subsequent failure of the negotiation is Floyd's demand for a special drug test.

If Floyd didn't ask for it in the first place, we probably would have seen the greatest fight of all time already.

Is he right in asking for such demand? Perhaps. But should he insist on that even if it would mean failure in the negoatiation? Like I said, if you really want a fight to happen, you won't ask for any special demands.

If Floyd really did everything he could to make this happen, as you believe he did, and I respect you for that, he could have simply dropped the special drug test demand. But he didn't. So he didn't do everything after all. As such, your proposition, for me to say the least, is not irrefutable.

Again, I'm just keeping true to the proposition you have given that Floyd really wanted the fight. Hence, I'm just discussing his actions... not Pacquiao's. Call it just being a devil's advocate.

 

he's just waiting for pac to get old..

 

That statement doesn't make any sense...Floyd is older than Manny and will age just like Manny..You say that like only Manny will age; and Floyd will stay the same age

 

I don't think it's a question that at some point Floyd DID want to fight PAC. The bigger issue is figuring out when Floyd had his change of heart which happened BEFORE negoitations actually began to try and make this fight.

Floyd absolutely saw dollar signs when he thought of fighting PAC. And I absolutely feel Floyd was setting the platform to make the fight a HUGE even by not fighting him immediately off his retirement.

But after Floyd saw PAC dominating guys he's struggled with more and more....Floyd began acting in ways that would suggest he was looking for an out. Which he found through a web of excuses and lies that have blown up in his face.

Floyd only went through the motions of negoitations becase it was his attempt to save face. Floyd's ego wouldn't allow him to back track off of all that BIG BOY talk that he put out there regarding what he thought of PAC before the fight negotiations broke ground.

So instead of saying that he changed his mind and no longer thought it would be in his best interest to fight PAC and have to answer questions about "WHY"...he thought it would be easier to create a story about Manny that would move the attention off him and on to PAC who would have to deal with questions about his character and legacy.

 

The OP is correct, "argue till they are blue".

Thanks for the rhyme. :yep