J.C.Chavez vs Mayweather jr

Just like the first Chavez Taylor bout without the knockdown/stoppage at the end. Mayweather is all wrong for Chavez imo.

 

Chavez points, Floyd would never let his hands go as much as Taylor.

 

There are these things in boxing called distance and timing, Mayweather would use these tools to his advanmtage against a chavez who makes this a close tough fight.

 

Good point. I still see him winning though. I could see him taking the first 5 or 6 rounds and stealing another 2 or 3 in the latter half of the fight.

 

There are arguments both are wrongfor each other, Chavez was clearly outboxed by Whitaker, Taylor, Randall and Lockridge and Roger Mayweather gave him problems. Mayweather had his problems with Castillo and to a lesser extent Jesus Chavez. Both have their excuses for those, Chavez was probably a little past prime in some of those, Mayweather was injured and outweighed against JLC and draiend against Jesus Chavez. Both have good performances against these supposed foils for, Chavez dismantling R Mayweather and Ramirez, FMJ doing the same to Hatton

Both have abilities that are ignored for their more obvious talents. Chavez has a great defense and footwork and generally a very underrated skill set. Mayweather more heart and ability to lay a beating on an opponent than credited for (despite not being a puncher)

At their absolute best for best I'd go with Mayweather, he's going to have a greater speed advantage than anyone Chavez faced and his defense and technical skill is at least the second best Chavez faced alongside Whitaker. Plus he has the reach/height and all things add up to it being too much for Chavez to overcome. He's just going to get off first and land more and be more accurate

 

It is much more likely that Floyd steals a few of the early rounds then starts taking all of them. He would spend a round or two feeling out Chavez.

 

I just noticed this is at 140lbs, FMJ probably carried that weight better than JLC imo

He started pretty fast at 140 and below, the slow starting feeling out approach only really kicked in 147 and above. He also only really faded down the stretch and looked to steal rounds in the first JLC fight which he was injured in

 

At 130 and 135, I take Chavez.

At 140 and 147, I take Mayweather.

(which is strange, as I think Mayweather was better at 130 than he was at 147, but there you go)

 

I'll got for Mayweather via decision. I always thought that Mayweather would outscore Marquez, due to styles. He gets off much better, with Marquez being measured and economical with his punches. Chavez is pretty much the same as Marquez, although not as good on the outside - certainly in a scoring sense - and not a counter-puncher.

 

Marquez is kind of the inverse to fighters like Duran and Chavez. Master pressure fighters and skilled boxers who rely on pressure and inside work. They jab and feint and slip to get in and do damage, whereas JMM will counter in the pocket, turn, and box his way out to restart his offense. Countering and pressuring are of equal proportions, but in opposite quantities, between JMM and Chavez I think.

 

Chavez wasn't prime at 140 but with his toughness, precision, and pressure I see him having issues early with Floyd but later slowing him down with bodyshots and breaking him. People can bring up the Taylor I fight all they want but that was a past prime Chavez and he still won by KO with the tide going his way in the last few rounds. Mayweather never had to face such a fighter as Chavez and he never would.

 

People also forget that Meldrick had greater handspeed, and threw blistering combinations. As an offensive fighter he was accurate, hard-hitting, and blindingly fast. Using that fight as a template for how Mayweather would simply out-do him against Chavez with superior ring IQ is simply a flawed and overly-simplified way of looking at it. Completely different fight, and one where even that version of Chavez would really hustle Mayweather and outwork him in the later rounds.

 

And Taylor stood in front of Chavez quite a bit, something I can't see Floyd doing. Floyd was more offensive overall from 140 to below but Chavez was still good enough to stop him. There's a reason Floyd retired once the WW division was hot, he lacks the desire to face the best opposition though he wasn't always like that.

 

Taylor doesn't fight like Mayweather though, really. Whitaker is a much better comparison.