If Froch beats Johnson and Ward, he'll go down as the greatest British boxer ever...

Thanks, well appreciated :good

I will also say you can analyse the **** out of summat, you'll never know what will unfold until the first bell rings and the match unfolds :deal :good

 

This is why Froch has already got a better resume than Calzaghe. Read on.

Resumes aren't just about names, that's why you don't count Calzaghe beating the ghost of Roy Jones as anything other than an overrated exercise in flagellation. Likewise, you have to look into where the fight was and the conditions surrounding the fight.

Froch has fought top guy after top guy, back to back. He has the names Calzaghe has but he's got them in consecutive fights, not spread over 10 years with Peter Manfredo filling in the gaps.

Yes, Froch has lost 1 fight but that was away from home, narrowly, and on a Sauerland card. A narrow loss on a Sauerland card is like leaving your car unlocked with the keys in the ignition in Liverpool and returning to it to find they only stole your dog.

Would Calzaghe have an undefeated record if he didn't always fight at home on Frank ****** shows? Some people would say yes, because he only fought bums anyway but some people would say no because he only narrowly beat Robin Reid, a decision that could've easily been given to Reid.

In closing, Carl Froch has already equalled if not bettered Calzaghe's resume even with the handicap of having a promoter who would stumble on a cancer stricken orphan with the voice of an angel and send him onto Britain's Got Talent to rap about how good it is to receive benefits.

 

You have to consider performance surely..... And performance wise Calzaghe was on another level when fighting top level fighters.

There's no way Froch can go above Calzaghe.

 

Calzaghe UD prime Kessler 8-4

Past prime Kessler UD Froch 8-4

Enough said...no shite about styles either.

 

I dont like Froch, but I respect him hugely for what he has achieved, & the balls it took to get there.
However, Bhop & Kessler are now making Calzaghe look the better man...

Although to be fair to Carl Mr Calzaghe retired rather than fight him, so its a hot debate!

Calzaghes got the better resume, but IMO shat it from Froch. Makes it pretty even if you ask me.

 

Yup, Froch does give a **** about his resume Calzaghe didn't. Instead of Roy Jones for the cash he could've set up a major british fight with Froch (sure Froch would've stepped up a weight) or even went for a live opponent like Dawson but it was retirement funds he was interested in.

Fair enough it's his future but I know who I'll always look back on with real respect.

PS Dunky get back to posting here more often!!

 

TBH Dunks I think Calzaghe "retired" after the Kessler fight, the last 2 bouts were just pension plans.

At that point Froch was making a lot of noise about Calzaghe but hadn't really done much to make JC hang about and fight him either before or instead of Hopkins and Jones (I don't remember many fans really crying out for the fight either) and I don't think afterwards was ever on the cards TBH.

Calzaghes record has its faults (to say the least) but I think its hard to fault a fighter for retiring at 38....;O)

 

Joe Calzaghe would come back in afew months, if Carl Froch desided to call him out and slate him on live TV....... consistently.

Carl Froch was a "No Mark" when he wanted to face Calzaghe.

But now! with his recent success, and new promoter! his "NO MARK" tag may be lifted by the Lord of No Marking! Moi...ha ha ha.

 

be careful what you wish for Tam my good man!

 

Thats the thing PK, no one was really calling for Froch-Calzaghe (except Fat Mick and Froch himself) because no one knew what Froch would go on to achieve at that point.

Theres a little bit of hindsight involved in saying Calzaghe should have fought him before he retired.

 

Remember when Calzaghe Took 5 mil to fight a washed up RJJ and turned down 10 mil to fight a prime Kelly pavlik?

Enough said... Carl Froch is a beast, Over came an Ass whoopin for 11 rds from Jermain Taylor. IMO though, His style is gonna get him caught one day... I don't see him beating Dirrel (if they fought again) or Ward.. He could beat Bute and Pavlik AT THIS MOMENT.

Time isnt on his side either...

 

Was hardly an 11 round ass whoopin against Taylor.

 

I remember it well Gaz, & of course you are right about Joe rightfully retiring at 38, but I think we all knew deep down if Joe had taken down the young upstart Froch instead of finishing off against two older men than himself? It would have been the icing on the cake of Joe Calzaghes career.
Its a tough one to argue though... I just think personally if Joe retired after beating an up & coming domestic rival rather than a past his prime american? That would have been the ultimate ending.
Joe has too many shot legends on his resume that he happily gloats about in the safety of retirement, thats my problem. Joe never really entered the ring as a true underdog at any stage of his career, & IMO thats what he lacks... He never entered the ring as true underdog. Joe always seemed to get fights on his terms, what was his biggest test, a home fight against Kessler?

Its a deep debate, but IMO Calzaghes resume lacks a certain Carl Froch.

 

RustBelt,

It wasn't as simple as £5m vs. £10m as I remember. I think Calzaghe was splitting from Frank W@rren at the time and the £5M for Jones came with no strings attached and no promoter to pay out of it wheras the (alledged) £10M came with W@rrens involvement and him needing paying (and who alledgedly already Calzaghe money at that point).

From a legacy point of view (not that Calzaghe appeared to care) hanging around fighting Pavlik or Froch carried the same problem. They needed to do something after Calzaghe beat them for the win to be considered top-notch.

Looking back outpointing Pavlik at that point at 168 wouldn't have turned out to be such a great feat that it may have seemed at the time, kind of like the Lacy win. That could justb have easily applied to a victory over Froch for all Calzaghe knew at that point.

 

I agree mate, looking back Frochs name should be on there but thats looking back. At the time when Calzaghe retired it wasn't seen as a big deal so I give him the benifit of the doubt for getting out after cashing in on the Jones fight.