Did Bruce Seldon have the ability to give Tyson a good fight?

Without landing a punch on top of it.

 

Tyson was that good :deal

Seldon pulled some weird **** in his fights with Ribalta, Bowe and Tyson.

 

The Bowe knockout looked fairly legit to me. Tyson didn't even land a clean shot and it was over.

Many of Tyson's comeback fights were dubious....quick stoppages against McNeeley, Savarese, the Seldon fiasco, and Buster Mathis, Jr. got a very quick count. Don King didn't want anything messing with his money. (Savarese might have been post-King; can't remember)

 

Yeah, the McNeeley ending was controversial. His trainer was even accused of being involved in some sort of gambling arrangement where they were betting on the seconds the fight would last. Strongly denied of course, and just gossip anyway.
But I do suspect Don King had warned them that an upset would not be looked on favourably. McNeeley was a complete palooka but he backed up Tyson a bit, and was gamer than expected.
Maybe his trainer was just protecting him, maybe it's a bit of both.
Either way, it's a very cynical way to take a fight - just for the money and no faith in your fighter whatsoever.
The thing was a farce from the moment it was announced.

 

King wasnt promoting Tyson in the Savarese fight. Shelly Finkel was worse than King in protecting Tyson in fights though. He tried to payoff Norris after Tyson decked him after the bell, the Savarese fight was just flat out ridiculous, Tyson should have been Dq'd.
I dont think King wanted fighters to take a dive against Tyson. He was very upset with McNeeleys team for jumping in the ring, and even said after had Vinny not jumped in the ring to stop the fight, he would have given McNeeley another high profile fight for his showing against Tyson. Mathis just didnt get up quick enough, he could have gotten up quicker and continued, he was ahead.

 

I was at the Tyson-Saverese fight. Yeah, he should have been DQ'd. The referee clearly jumped in between the fighters, yet Tyson continues fighting and the ref goes down between them. Tyson's excuses was that he never heard the ref, although he clearly seen him and physical contact by the ref was also proof.

 

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Nutcase

 

Even Tommy Brooks thought Tyson was going to get DQ'd. Just look at his face after the fight is over as he ushers Tyson back to his corner - the look of a worried man indeed.

 

Tyson should have been banned for life with the Holyfield rematch bite incident.
But he was brought back to give promoters and other fighters big paydays.

 

Tyson was punching around the ref he saw him, he was just nuts at this time. He didnt want to fight. He tried to cancel the fight because his close friend Daryl Baum passed away during his training camp. Tyson was in no condition for a tough fight, he would have snapped far worse if Savarese actually put up a fight. He beat the **** out Frank ****** a day or two earlier for not paying for his jewelry.

 

I'm a fan of Tyson as everyone here knows, but i strongly agree with this. :good

Tyson brought shame to boxing with that disgraceful, disgusting incident of biting Holyfield 3 times like a cannabalistic madman, & it made the "black eye on boxing" even worse when he was allowed to return after just 2 years, instead of being forever exiled from the sport he shamed so badly. :verysad

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Yeah, the most ridiculous thing is, when they gave Tyson his license back they supposedly cleared him as mentally fit to fight and pyschologically fit.
But the first fight back he goes straight in and is obviously trying to break Botha's arms !
Then after another spell in jail (violation of parole -for road rage assault no less !) he gets the the Norris fight (which I think was accidental late punch, to be fair) and Nevada didn't want him any more.
Then, the Savarese **** in Scotland, and all sorts of out-the-ring incidents - he apparently beat Don King up, and he gave Frank Wa*rren a slap too !
The Lewis-Tyson Is On conference. atsch
He was obviously a madman at this time, and trying his best to get banned.
He ended up having to fight in Memphis, Tenesseee because no one else needed him.
Will we ever see a line of security guards in the middle of a ring to stop one of the two fighters sabotaging a mega-million fight moments before the opening bell again ?
(as we did at Lewis-Tyson)

Tyson 1997 - '02 was a freakin' nutjob.

 

I think youre right about that. Tyson simply didnt want to fight anymore, but his people had so many millions invested in him, he was on the hook with every Tom Dick and Harry, he had to fight. I was in his camp for Julius Francis, and the guy was downright miserable. He just didnt care to fight at all.

 

He whooped Francis A$$ though :hey

Basically, i feel that after the first Holyfield loss, it broke Tysons heart (he was probably mentally not all there anyway due to prison). Here was this old, shot fight Tyson was supposed to destroy, yet he got taken to school. He himself admitted in the Tyson film, that after Holyfield he gave up ever wanting to be champion again.

All these crazy antics he was doing was basically his way of saying, i want out of boxing. He finally admitted it after the Mcbride fight.

He had a lot of pressure placed on him after being released from prison. People, the media, fans everyone expected the Tyson of old, he was nowhere near that and thats why the first loss he suffered really exposed that he isnt the same person anymore.

3 years in the can, can mess up anyone esopecially if your emotionally unstable in the first place.
People will mention Ali, Vitali etc. Yes these guys had a couple of years of layoffs, Tysonw as in a cell (for a crime he says he didnt commit)

 

I think its pretty obvious Tyson could have taken a better road back after prison if chose. He could have gone back to Catskill and remembered the people and discipline that got him to the top. Steve Lott and Kevin Rooney would have welcomed him with open arms.
He could have turned his life around and used boxing to help him have discipline and be a better person, but the guy went back to doing the same exact thing he did before going in. I dont care what Don King dangled in front of him, he could have made mega millions with Pee Wee Herman promoting him, it didnt matter. Tyson became a worthless piece of **** after he separated from Jacobs and Cayton, and he knows it. The scary thing is he made more money acting like a bafoon than he did actually being a great fighter and that goes to show you the mentality of the public these days.