J.C.Chavez vs Mayweather jr

I agree that he started faster which but i think that has a lot to do with his opposition during his 3 fights at 140, they were all fairly basic. I think he is smart enough to try and feel JCC out and try to catch his rhythm and ease into the fight. I dont see him fading down the stretch but i can see him slowing down to some extent because JCCs left hook to the body would have some success if he backed Floyd up.

 

Chavez all day long....

Floyd wouldnt be able to pot shot his way to decision against Chavez, no way. Chavez would be in his face for 12 hard rounds and would break Mayweather down. Chavez's long time sparring partner gave Mayweather trouble and IMO won the first fight. Mayweather was easily tagged against a shot Mosley and as some1 pointed out was given a hard fight against Hatton.

This is clear as day for me

 

IF? Have you never watched any JCC fights:bbb

Bill Butcher made a very valid point about this disturbing trend regarding the nieve & greenhorn underestimating of Chavez's technical abilitiesatsch

There's absolutly no way i can see Mayweather winning here, he has'nt the offence to keep Chavez away who was the absolute master at cutting down yer escape & Taylor had far more speed in offence & that still did'nt stop him getting systematicly smashed up. If Castillo can **** him up then Chavez is going to **** him up x 10.

This is the usual mass overrating of todays fighter against an ATG from the recent past. No one escapes undamaged against Chavez, he'll suck & beat the very life out of you with exact & precise pressure. Mayweather is more than matched by Chavez in the punch precision department & Chavez rarely missed with anything, his footwork & distance timing are unmatched, he hurt you with every blow.

You can run & survive but you'll get a beating for the privalige & as the Taylor fight showed you can attack him with superior speed but get smashed up for the privilige. IMHO Mayweather has neither the defence or offence to somehow dominate a devastingting offensive fighter such as Chavez & somehow reamin undamaged. It's a UD for Chavez or TKO, Mayweather will never be able to withstand the heat thats gonna burn him up bad:deal

 

Another thing that people often overlook is that guys like Sanchez and Arguello basically made their names by their mastery of the championship rounds (12-15), where they would finally and emphatically overcome their toughest challengers. JC Chavez was an old-school fighter who was unlucky to come along at a time where fighters were being constrained by the ***gy 12 round distance instead of the proper championship 15. If Chavez-Taylor had been a 15-round fight, then even if Steele hadn't made the call, JCC would obviously have obliterated Taylor in round 13, and the win would then have been controversy-free and celebrated in the same way as gruelling victories like Sanchez-Nelson and Arguello-Olivares are.

 

Whitaker was also past his prime, don't forget. His mobility and sharpness was nowhere near what it was at lightweight. I think the weight suited Whitaker more than Chavez though. I really can't see their being a difference at lightweight. Chavez would be quicker and more powerful at the lower weight - better at closing down space. But Whitaker's movement and nimbleness also goes up a notch as well. Anyone who knows Whitaker's career very well, should know that he became flat-footed after moving up to 147lbs.

 

how can you totally dismiss floyd. styles make fights. yes i know jcc is a pressure fighter but taylor was 2 sec away from winning and whitaker was robbed of a victory. you may not like floyd, i don't either, but he is a great fighter.

 

Yeah, I agree to an extent... the big difference for me tho was Whitaker was still a BRILLIANT fighter for the next few yrs after the Chavez fight, JCC rapidly declined.

I think the LW fight would have been much better as both were peak but we will never know.

 

Not really. The last great Sweet Pea performance was McGirt II, one year after the Chavez fight. By 1995, Pea looked clearly past his best against Vasquez and Jacobs.

 

I actually thought that Whitaker looked pretty good against Vasquez up at 154lbs. Infact, his jab was as good as ever. Probably because he worked on it like a demon in training as he was always going to box on the outside throughout that fight.

But, yeah, Whitaker was on the decline as a WW in 1995.

 

JCC declined rapidly after the Whitaker fight, funnily enough, yeah. However, at 140lbs he was looking great against the likes of Camacho and Haugen in 92/93, leading up to the Whitaker fight.

Not as good as the lightweight Chavez who fought Rosario, but hardly looking shot or on the slide. Nowhere near it. He was just looking as good as a fighter possibly could after a jump up in weight, with the normal slight loss of power and speed. Although not always the case with some fighters, as some retain or gain speed after moving up.

 

Chavez points, pretty one-sided I reckon. Floyd is not going to be able to keep him off him, and Chavez mixed his shots up so well Floyds defence won't look as good as it did against, ahem, Gatti or Ndou .

 

people shouldn't even be bringing up 140/147 versions of these guys, neither were at their best there.

I can't see how the above poster thinks it would be one sided. they are evenly matched at 130/135 I think.

for the record, a young Floyd wasn't a "pot shotter" and would match Chavez on the inside.

 

Your right actually, the Mcgirt II fight was the last of the REAL Whitaker, he was still an elite fighter after that tho & arguable in the p4p discussions all the way up until the DLH fight.... he was still a great fighter, just not Whitaker great if you get what I mean.

 

Yes, I thought he looked great vs both Haugen & Camacho... which makes Whitaker`s controlling of Chavez masterful in my eyes, he WAS further past prime than Pea tho, how much further is a matter of debate, perhaps Pernell would always have won, I dont know tbh.

 

Some people might see it that way, with Chavez having more than twice as many fights, etc, and being two years older. However, from 90-93 I think they were both around the same level and were both the same percentage past their best when comparing that time zone to when they were lightweights in their absolute primes. I just judge what I see - rather than looking at age and stats - and how they performed, etc. Just look at how Chavez broke up Haugen: Handspeed and accuracy.