Lennox undisputed Title resume - your thoughts

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  1. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    I honestly think that Bowe felt he became a superior fighter around this time and I also believe that. Bowe became a much better pro quicker while Lewis was still finding himself. It worked out for Lewis, because I think Bowe would have handed him his head just like he did Gonzalez if they fought right after Bowes fight with Holyfield. Lewis just had too many holes in his game around that time.
     
  2. JAB5239

    JAB5239 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree with al of this, but Lewis still deserved that opportunity.
     
  3. lefthook31

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    Did Chris Byrd deserve his opportunity to prove himself against the best fighter? How about John Ruiz? He went on to show me he did. Its all money driven.
     
  4. JAB5239

    JAB5239 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I would entertain arguments for Byrd, but Ruiz certainly didn't deserve nor earn a rightful shot. Are you suggesting we shouldn't hold champions accountable for ducking fights because of money? That ludicrous.
     
  5. PowerPuncher

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    No they actually didn't anymore than Tyson, Vitali, Grant or even Rahman. This is all the 'Lennox should of fought Ruiz/Byrd' boils down to for you, it's an excuse for Bowe ducking Lewis.

    The only fights you can hold against not happening for Lewis are probably Wlad and you could argue Ibeabuchi, although there was no money in that 1. You could also argue he should have taken 5%-10% of the pot against Bowe, which he wanted to do and Maloney advised him not to. Or you could argue he should have took the small money against Tyson in 96. But saying he should have fought Ruiz/Byrd is the most bizare criticism I've come across, they were nothing more than gatekeepers plain and simple
     
  6. SonnyListonsJab

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    Lennox should have fought Wlad. Wlad was the Ring Magazines # 1 contender for two straight years.
     
  7. PowerPuncher

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    Well when the Tyson fight was agreed Tyson was the no1 Ring contender I believe, then he bit Lennox's leg :lol:

    Wlad was the natural contender after that, it seemed Lennox was only hanging for a big money Tyson rematch as he'd been talking retirement since the year 2000
     
  8. lefthook31

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    They were mandatories dummy.
     
  9. Vanboxingfan

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    Yes, but as you said it's more complicated than that. For starters if you have three belts you have 3 mandatories. To make that work you need promoters and TV stations to agree on things on a fairly regular basis even if you actually want to defend all 3 belts.


    And with King in the middle of things, and Lewis not willing to allow King to get his hooks in him, at lot of fights that could have happened never did.

    But in general I do agree that all of who avoided who, is money and/or control driven as much as anything.

    The only out and out duck I feel that happened was Bowe ducking Lewis, but even then, I believe money was likely the main cause.

    And I remember Lewis saying he didn't want to fight Byrd or Ruiz because there wasn't a market for the fight. I don't recall him saying they weren't worthy opponents, but it just didn't make financial sense.

    Who in their right mind would take fighting Ruiz to defend a title verses fighting Tyson
    especially at this stage of their careers when the actually outcome of the fight was barely in question?

    So I certainly agree that Lewis wasn't above taking the most lucrative fights over those who may have been more deserving of a title shot. He essentially complainted about it as he was comming up and then ended up doing the same thing.
     
  10. Threetime no1

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    Agreed Bowe did adjust to becoming a pro quicker than Lewis, which was largely down to the tutelage of Eddie Futch, and he got a 9 month head start on Lewis in turning pro. Plus he was a bigger man than Lewis at that point. So yeah Bowe woulda been rightly the favourite.
    Lewis was doing ok though until he knocked Ruddock out. Then after that he seemed to think he could just beat everyone by landing the overhand right. But even with the 'holes in his game' and regardless of what you think of Razor at the time. Lewis showed in that fight that when he felt threatened, he could impress and come through a percieved banana skin. I mean Razor landed **** all, and for me Lewis looked compact and tight in defence. So i think a fight with Bowe straight after would not of been a foregone conclusion, not by any stretch. Not with how Lewis looked against Ruddock, defensively and offensively. No doubt he showed cracks in his next 4 fights, but the fear factor wasn't there, which it woulda been with Bowe.
    Riddick also said Razor was scared of Lewis, which say's to me he was impressed by what he saw that night.
     
  11. quarry

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    correct and that is why many in this thread myself included are questioning Lewis and his decisions to duck Ruiz & Byrd.. its nothing to do with Hating the guy. it's exactly what you are querying and what you are reading from many in that Lewis career decisions need to be addressed because they left many boxing fans scratching their heads in disbelief. and when some claim he never ducked fighters it leaves those who question his decisions open-mouthed thinking,"where is this guy coming from"
     
  12. quarry

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    you are saying that John Ruiz & Chris Byrd should never have chosen pro boxing as their employment because due to their style of fighting should they ever reach the pinacle of their profession they would be denied the ultimate goal. unworthy as pro's to recieve that championship opportunity and payday :huh it's laughable what you are claiming.
     
  13. quarry

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    Bowe was the man and Lewis turned down the chance to fight him

    Lewis never fought Tyson instead of Ruiz.. Lewis fought Frans Botha instead of Ruiz.. so lets get things straight here instead of exageratiing
     
  14. lufcrazy

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    Ruiz and byrd were simply never the number 1 contender.
     
  15. lefthook31

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    Yes they were.